Hello I am new here I am of Turkish descent but I live in England. I dont know Turkish (its along story) but I've heard of the Alevi's so many times so I thought I would join this forum and find out more. I am not very religious at all but I am a Sunni but I dont have anything against Alevi's.

Basically what do Alevi's exactly believe in? I heard Alevism is a type of Shi'ite Islam?

Hello I am new here I am of Turkish descent but I live in England. I dont know Turkish (its along story) but I've heard of the Alevi's so many times so I thought I would join this forum and find out more. I am not very religious at all but I am a Sunni but I dont have anything against Alevi's.

Basically what do Alevi's exactly believe in? I heard Alevism is a type of Shi'ite Islam?


Whats that story..Hmm..You can find out all of things on this forum section..English forum here..
You wanna learn what about Alevism..

quoted

Basically what do Alevi's exactly believe in?

We believe in only one God..
Allah, Mohammad , Ali..But we mustn conclude about this form that Allah in three form just as Christinity...
We appricate Ehlu -Bayt..

Alevism has a shamanistic background..The fact that we do not share any nation of 72 nations..
And then......

Hello I am new here I am of Turkish descent but I live in England. I dont know Turkish (its along story) but I've heard of the Alevi's so many times so I thought I would join this forum and find out more. I am not very religious at all but I am a Sunni but I dont have anything against Alevi's.

Basically what do Alevi's exactly believe in? I heard Alevism is a type of Shi'ite Islam?
Hello there, my dear friend.. Very interesting, but not very reliable that you say you don't know any Turkish, but you know what Alevism and Sunniism is?? Hmm, I'm not quite sure if I shall believe you!?!?! Tell us your story, cut it short if it's "too long" as you say. There is always a way.
Welcome, by the way.

Hello there, my dear friend.. Very interesting, but not very reliable that you say you don't know any Turkish, but you know what Alevism and Sunniism is?? Hmm, I'm not quite sure if I shall believe you!?!?! Tell us your story, cut it short if it's "too long" as you say. There is always a way.
Welcome, by the way.

sure agreed..
Yeah I coulndt belive and I found it unreliable thats why I didnt explain what alevism means exactly.

sure agreed..
Yeah I coulndt belive and I found it unreliable thats why I dimt explain what alevism means exactly.
Hushhh he's reading, so let's just wait and see what he replies :) don't get me wrong: it's ok not to know Turkish, by the way, there are other guys here participating from Sydney for instance, who are not Turkish and therefore don't know the language either, BUT I wanted to point out that this member and friend here says: he doesn't know Turkish, but he knows what Alevism is. Someone who obviously has no bonds to his culture (because you don't know Turkish), has no bonds to know what subreligions there are, does he??:garibbak:

(because you don't know Turkish), has no bonds to know what subreligions there are, does he??:garibbak:

Maybe he/she finds Alevism superstititon..But I met a Turkish boy who had difficulty in speaking Turkish before..
blushing ...:sarkazm

For a while We can think that those who can't speak Turkish is not an obstacle to know what alevism or sunnah means...Therefore we should not accuse anyone..:yamukgul:
hmm...
We r waiting for his/her response...

Maybe he/she finds Alevism superstititon..But I met a Turkish boy who had difficulty in speaking Turkish before..
blushing ...:sarkazm

For a while We can think that those who can't speak Turkish is not an obstacle to know what alevism or sunnah means...Therefore we should not accuse anyone..:yamukgul:
hmm...
We r waiting for his/her response... I am NOT accusing anybodyyyyyy.... I beg your pardon, I don't!!
Just WAITTT, he is writing. It's his long story, therefore it takes such a long time. No worries, my new friend, take your time, I asked for your story so I will wait. Godfather: Just be patient, man! ahahaha...

Ok its not really a long story its just that I dont like talking about it. I wish I knew Turkish (and InshAllah I will learn Turkish) in the future.

I am of Turkish origin, I am half Turkish Cypriot and half Turkish but I was born in the UK. My parents didn't teach me Turkish :uzgunsok: which is why I dont know much (ben çok az Türkçe biliyorum). I am Muslim (Sunni) which is why I know about Islam :p !

I heard that Alevi's dont like Sunni's? Is this true? I have heard alittle bit about what the Turkish government have done to Alevi's but I dont hate anyone because of their beliefs and I like all Turks even if they are Alevi, Shia, Christian or even Jewish. I dont discriminate against anyone.

Adi güzel Alim why do you think I am lying? What do I have to gain?

As I said I want to find out more about Alevism.

TheGodfather when you say we believe in one God Allah, Mohammed and Ali do you mean you believe they are all God or is it like in Christianity, in Christianity they believe in the Triune nature of God (the Father, Son and Holy Spirit).

We appricate Ehlu -Bayt..The fact that we do not share any nation of 72 nations..
What do you mean by this?

Adi güzel Alim why do you think I am lying? What do I have to gain?

As I said I want to find out more about Alevism.


first of all, I didn't say "Oh I think this guy is lying!" Estafurrullah, no. All I said is that it seems UNRELIABLE to me, that's it.. And how can you write THIS with an English keyboard? The letter "c"?? and the letter "ü" in my name? güzel... (ben çok az Türkçe biliyorum).
We don't hate sunnis, we don't hate anybody, our religion is very tolerant, but the sunnis unfortunately aren't. We are not accepted as Muslims because we have our own customs and traditions that don't really match with theirs, but they (No, this is wrong, let's put it this way: MANY) do not accept us being different.

Ok its not really a long story its just that I dont like talking about it. I wish I knew Turkish (and InshAllah I will learn Turkish) in the future.

I am of Turkish origin, I am half Turkish Cypriot and half Turkish but I was born in the UK. My parents didn't teach me Turkish :uzgunsok: which is why I dont know much (ben çok az Türkçe biliyorum). I am Muslim (Sunni) which is why I know about Islam :p !

I heard that Alevi's dont like Sunni's? Is this true? I have heard alittle bit about what the Turkish government have done to Alevi's but I dont hate anyone because of their beliefs and I like all Turks even if they are Alevi, Shia, Christian or even Jewish. I dont discriminate against anyone.

Adi güzel Alim why do you think I am lying? What do I have to gain?

As I said I want to find out more about Alevism.

TheGodfather when you say we believe in one God Allah, Mohammed and Ali do you mean you believe they are all God or is it like in Christianity, in Christianity they believe in the Triune nature of God (the Father, Son and Holy Spirit).


What do you mean by this?


Zeynocan..of course I know you dont accuse anyone..And I didn't mean what you think..

Dear TCY

As I sad above..We dont believe God in three forms just as Christinity..We do not believe Ehlu Bayt..We only love Mohammad and his bride groom Ali..But Sum of Alevis may think of Ali as a God..

To talk about 72 nations..Dear brother..Alevism never knows racialism..
We must seperate alevism..Some of sunnah shall consider alevism as a zionism..Of course its not..Just bofore a sunnah has declared that alevism stem from Abdulllah bim Ubey-İbni Sebe(there was not a person who named İbni Sbebe in ancient times)...
To be continued..

There are websites were I can copy and paste the "ç" letter (and all the other ones from) its not hard at all. I'm sorry if I got off to a bad start. Adi güzel Alim I wont ever make fun of your religion. I am your guest and I'm here to learn.

A few questions:

1.) How many Alevi's are there in Turkey.

2.) How many Alevi's are there in the World?

3.) What ethnicities are Alevi's? Are they mainly Turkish, Kurdish?

4.) I heard that Alevi's took many Armenians orphans into their families during the Armenian deportations (1915) - Is this true?

(take your time I got to go I'll be back tommorrow)

There are websites were I can copy and paste the "ç" letter (and all the other ones from) its not hard at all. I'm sorry if I got off to a bad start. Adi güzel Alim I wont ever make fun of your religion. I am your guest and I'm here to learn.

A few questions:

1.) How many Alevi's are there in Turkey.

2.) How many Alevi's are there in the World?

3.) What ethnicities are Alevi's? Are they mainly Turkish, Kurdish?

4.) I heard that Alevi's took many Armenians orphans into their families during the Armenian deportations (1915) - Is this true?

(take your time I got to go I'll be back tommorrow)sorry my fault 4 your bad start. I sincerely apologise. Of course you are our friend, as long as you accept us as yours, you are not only a friend, we would like to welcome you as a family. Hope this doesn't sound too metaphoric, I really mean it because each tolerant sunni is a very special jewel 4 us. We will come back 2 your questionhs 2morrow, I gotta go now.. Just one more question: How come that you are interested in Alevism? How do ou know about us and even the Armenians? Any background? Or are you in love with an alevi girl and your families are in a big conflict? I hope not, this is always a problem if the girl is alevi and the boy not. Not the other way round,but.. anyway.. talk 2 u later. bye 4 now.

Hello Tcypriot

1)There are around 15-20 million alevis in Turkey. But in past times in seljuid empereror there are aroudn %60 of turkish people were alevi turkoman. Then some rebel attacks and governments sunni governors kill lots of alevi people.

2)Mainly most of the alevis are living in Turkey but some ofthem are lives in Europe and some of them in iran (ahl-i haqq) and similar alawites in syria. but main part is in turkey İn world there are aroun 18-23 millon alevis

3)Most of the Alevis are pure turkish (turkoman) they come from middle asia and come to anatolia they were believe in shaman beliefs and pagan believes then they must be a muslim and they create their own islamic religion but not in islam religion. We are different and modern than islam.

There are 15-20 million alevis and %80 of them are turkomen, %15 of them Kurdish( Zaza,dersimli, Kurmanc) and some Arabic(nusayri, alawites) in albania and bulgaria there are little bekhtashi (its a alevi tariqat) peopler.

4) Yeah in 1915 Armenians are in worst conditions and some of them were saved by Dersim Alevis this number is around 35.000 armenian. They were saved from Kırmanc alevis and some of them believes alevi religion by themselves. But some of Armenians believes muslim religion(Sunni) they forget their armenian

Hello Tcypriot

1)There are around 15-20 million alevis in Turkey. But in past times in seljuid empereror there are aroudn %60 of turkish people were alevi turkoman. Then some rebel attacks and governments sunni governors kill lots of alevi people.

20 Milions means more than 33% of turkish population. There is no real statistic because it's not easy to count. I think there are max. 10 or 12 milions alevis in Turkey.

2)Mainly most of the alevis are living in Turkey but some ofthem are lives in Europe and some of them in iran (ahl-i haqq) and similar alawites in syria. but main part is in turkey İn world there are aroun 18-23 millon alevis

In Iran and in no other asian country I didn's see ANATOLIAN ALEVIS, they are sia. Is not the same like protestant-catholic both are christian but not the sameone.


3)Most of the Alevis are pure turkish (turkoman) they come from middle asia and come to anatolia they were believe in shaman beliefs and pagan believes then they must be a muslim and they create their own islamic religion but not in islam religion. We are different and modern than islam.

I'm not agreed, we don't CREATING a religion we have a religion and thats called alevism but there is a connecting to islam but how is the other big question. Anyway I think islam is the most modern religion of the world, is the newest and "last update" from God.
But some people doesn't practice islam correctly :pisman


There are 15-20 million alevis and %80 of them are turkomen, %15 of them Kurdish( Zaza,dersimli, Kurmanc) and some Arabic(nusayri, alawites) in albania and bulgaria there are little bekhtashi (its a alevi tariqat) peopler.

80% Turks? Impossible !
90% of alevis who living in EU are NOT turks, most of them are Zaza (KIRMANCK) or kurds. Most of turkish alevis are alevi-bektashi. see www.alevibektasi.org (english articles available).
And Kurds are not Zaza, they are 2 different ethnicity. And "dersimli" is not an ethnicity and kurmanc are kurds (Attention NOT KIRMANCK!!)

20 Milions means more than 33% of turkish population. There is no real statistic because it's not easy to count. I think there are max. 10 or 12 milions alevis in Turkey.



In Iran and in no other asian country I didn's see ANATOLIAN ALEVIS, they are sia. Is not the same like protestant-catholic both are christian but not the sameone.



I'm not agreed, we don't CREATING a religion we have a religion and thats called alevism but there is a connecting to islam but how is the other big question. Anyway I think islam is the most modern religion of the world, is the newest and "last update" from God.
But some people doesn't practice islam correctly :pisman


80% Turks? Impossible !
90% of alevis who living in EU are NOT turks, most of them are Zaza (KIRMANCK) or kurds. Most of turkish alevis are alevi-bektashi. see www.alevibektasi.org (english articles available).
And Kurds are not Zaza, they are 2 different ethnicity. And "dersimli" is not an ethnicity and kurmanc are kurds (Attention NOT KIRMANCK!!)

1-yeah you are right. There are not any real statistics in Turkey.

2-I didn't mean the shiite population of iran. In iran most of the population are shiite islam but a little part of the population are ahl-i haqq that is so similar to anatolian alevies but "they believe that Ali is the God" Their number of population aren't so much maybe under a million. Sorry for wrong statistic if its wrong.

3- Big part of alevis are believe that they are real islamic belief. But some of them believe that they are not similar with islam religion.

4- In EU you are right most of the Alevis are Kurdish and Zaza(Kırmancz). But in Turkey most of Alevis are Turkomen. In east part of turkey there are lots of Kurdish and Zaza Alevis.

Notice: Alevis are not free until the found of republic. So statistics, rituels are maybe different in different cities in turkey because that we haven't got a main authority to sum us and show rituels to make them together. But nowadays we became more free in our believes. That words above are my opinions not alevis common thoughs. Thanks

Hello Alevimen,
you have said that "90% of alevis who living in EU are NOT turks".
Just to prove that this value can not be right I'll give you some data.
In Germany there is supposed to be a population of 400.000 Alevis.
So it's not a substantial error to claim an overall Alevi population of 600.000 concerning whole EU.
According to your predication 540.000 of them are non Turks.
Is this possible?

The immigration of Kurdish population began mainly after 1990.
The population of Tunceli between 1990 and 2000 has officially decreased from 133.000 to 93.000.
That means 40.000 persons who have left the stronghold of Zaza Alevis.
Assuming the fact that not everyone leaving Tunceli emmigrates to the EU decreases this value significantly.

Let me do my own prediction:
There are said to be 150.000 Zazas in Germany.
I guess half of them are Alevis (75.000). <1. Indication>
There are said to be 500.000 Kurds (including Zazas) in Germany.
I guess one fifth of all Kurds are Alevi (100.000). <2. Indication>
According to my calculation there shouldn't be more than 150.000 Kurdish Alevis including all Zazas in Germany.
A grand scale summation leads to 250.000 (I know I'm very generous) Kurdish Alevis in the EU.

I think Turkish Alevis are in majority.

Another fact confirming my thesis is the separation of Kurdish Alevis from the Alevi Associations in Europe to something like Kurdish Alevi Association and rejoining after a short period of time.
We can call this based on Herbert Spencer: "Survival of the fittest"

I thought there were alevi-bektashi tekkes in Cyprus. Because they were spread all over the empire at that time. There must have been remnants of them in the island too.

sorry my fault 4 your bad start. I sincerely apologise. Of course you are our friend, as long as you accept us as yours, you are not only a friend, we would like to welcome you as a family. Hope this doesn't sound too metaphoric, I really mean it because each tolerant sunni is a very special jewel 4 us. We will come back 2 your questionhs 2morrow, I gotta go now.. Just one more question: How come that you are interested in Alevism? How do ou know about us and even the Armenians? Any background? Or are you in love with an alevi girl and your families are in a big conflict? I hope not, this is always a problem if the girl is alevi and the boy not. Not the other way round,but.. anyway.. talk 2 u later. bye 4 now.

Thank you for your kind comments.

I have heard about the Alevi's for years and I could never find alot of information on it. I am interested to find out about it because it is a religion that is mainly followed in Turkey. I cant speak Turkish but that doesn't mean that I dont know anything about Turkey (I think I know alot about Turkey). I have asked my dad about it but he would never tell me about the religion, he would only talk about Alevism in a negative way. I just want to find out more about Alevism.

I dont have a Alevi girlfriend and I'm not in love with an Alevi girl.

I know about the Armenians because I have read alot of stuff about the Armenians. I have heard Armenians saying that there are millions of secret "cryto-Armenians" in eastern Turkey. I just want to find out if this is true or a lie of theirs?

Thank you for your kind comments.

I have heard about the Alevi's for years and I could never find alot of information on it. I am interested to find out about it because it is a religion that is mainly followed in Turkey. I cant speak Turkish but that doesn't mean that I dont know anything about Turkey (I think I know alot about Turkey). I have asked my dad about it but he would never tell me about the religion, he would only talk about Alevism in a negative way. I just want to find out more about Alevism.

I dont have a Alevi girlfriend and I'm not in love with an Alevi girl.

I know about the Armenians because I have read alot of stuff about the Armenians. I have heard Armenians saying that there are millions of secret "cryto-Armenians" in eastern Turkey. I just want to find out if this is true or a lie of theirs?

"Crypto armenians" yes its right but not millions. Their number around a houndred thousand. When genocide times lots of families leave their children to their neighbours (Kurdish and Alevis) and sometimes to a Turk. After this bad war times these childs became a member of their new family or they grove in a government home. But some armenians accept muslim religion and they didn't sent to the syrian deserts. Some of them became alevi. etc. there are lots of secret armenians"crypto armenians"

see this link: http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/detay.php?id=20308&yorum_id=3495

KızılKilise and Alevimen thanks for your inputs. Lol it seems as though there are no proper consensus about the figures and estimates of Alevi's. I did read somewhere that there are small Alevi communities in Iran (mainly in the Azeri areas) of north-west Iran.

I didn't realise there were so many Alevi's in Turkey? Why does the Turkish government hide the real amount of Alevi's?

From what I gather is that there are more Turkish Alevi's than Kurdish Alevi's. But in Europe some of you say that there are more Kurdish Alevi's than Turkish Alevi's? I guess it is hard to estimate (I dont think its too important).

I thought Zaza's where Kurdish but had a different dialect from Kirmanji?

It also seems as though Alevism is up to the individual? Or at least as there is no central authority Alevi's believe in many different things.

hsn
I have only seen statistics of the Turkish population in Germany. I have read it is over 2.5 million is this true or does that 2.5 million include Zaza's and Kurds?

I thought Zaza's where Kurdish but had a different dialect from Kirmanji?



Please see here:
http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_family.asp?subid=948
Zazaki is not kurdish dialect. Kurmandji is a dialect of kurdish and not kırmançki.

First gramatical study about zaza was made from Oskar Mann and finished by Kar Hadank in 1932:
BBAW (Berlin-Brandenburgische Akademie der Wissenschaften), Akademie-archiv,
Histor. Abt. II-VIII-200: Berichte über die wissenschaftlichen Unternehmungen
der Akademie, 12. April 1932.

Talking about Turkish population we have to bear mind that the nationality of Zazas and Kurds (partly) is Turkish.
So official reports will include Zazas and Kurds if Turkish population is meant.
But 2.500.000 Turkish population seems to be without Zazas and Kurds.

According to this (http://www.remid.de/remid_info_zahlen.htm#islam) website there are 3.300.000 Moslems.
If there are 2.500.000 Turks and 500.000 Kurds, the number of Arabic Moslems would be 300.000.
This seems to be accurate according to this (http://www.isoplan.de/aid/index.htm?http://www.isoplan.de/aid/2001-2/schwerpunkt.htm) website.

BTW: You use Genitive case ('s) while meaning Alevis, Zazas and Kurds. You should use Plural case instead.
It seems you have missed the first English lessons in class.
Sorry but I had to say that :lol:

Nice to see you here.

I heard that Alevi's dont like Sunni's?

who eva said dis to u, u got the info wrong darling cos its not alevis who hate sunni's, its the other way round...but den again if u cnt get love, u wont give love in return.

who eva said dis to u, u got the info wrong darling cos its not alevis who hate sunni's, its the other way round...but den again if u cnt get love, u wont give love in return.


you sound pretty "english" :)

you sound pretty "english" :)
indian english to me! :p dis and den, instead of a proper "th", like an indian accent, ahahaha..

she sounds as if she were a british teenager.

shes writing in slang, i usually do that, bu not here because it can be complicated to figure out what is said if u dont know how to write in slang even if you have full english... any ways

I dont know Turkish (its along story)

i wasnt suprised when TCypriot writ that he doesnt know turkish i have a lot of turkish cypriot mates that cant speak turkish and the ones that can,cant speak it propely although there are cypriot people that can speak full turkish. And i think this is caused by the families that prefers to speak english at home and as there first language.

i wasnt suprised when TCypriot writ that he doesnt know turkish i have a lot of turkish cypriot mates that cant speak turkish and the ones that can,cant speak it propely although there are cypriot people that can speak full turkish. And i think this is caused by the families that prefers to speak english at home and as there first language.
How sad! What a loss of culture!

How sad! What a loss of culture!

:36_1_48: it is... but there not gaining anything from what they are doing , infact the more they do that as you can see the more their children will want to know about their own culture and things related to thier culture.
i hope that one day all these parents these parents who are taking a step in this way realize what they are doing, because they are just taking things away from their children... which i find rather wrong.

:36_1_48: it is... but there not gaining anything from what they are doing , infact the more they do that as you can see the more their children will want to know about their own culture and things related to thier culture.
i hope that one day all these parents these parents who are taking a step in this way realize what they are doing, because they are just taking things away from their children... which i find rather wrong.
Yes, of course, definately... I am sure they're aware of their mistakes but maybe they want their kids to concentrate perfectly just on ONE language, which in this case is English, there are so many examples where children, who grow up bilingually, know their mother tongue as well but whose English is rubbish. This of course is a problem because it has a great impact on your career later on and stuff like that.. So, it's okay to practise the foreign language more, but every parent should try to teach their kids simultaniously to speak and understand their own language.
TCypriot, where are you, by the way??:pisman

Perhaps, its has got something to do with turkish cypriot mentality. They're inclined to define themselves more as cypriot than as turkish. Given that Cyprus island was a multicultural place, traditionally cypriot turks are more open to switch their languages and customs easily. And that's not essentially a bad thing. I appreciate that..
Among Turks, I have found out that Turkish cypriots are most relaxed and tolerant people, whereas mainland (turkey) is more conservative and overly patriotic.

sorry my language mates...when i was writing dat message i felt like i was writing that to one of my friends..thats why it was a bit weird..sorry again. :oops:

It was a sweet piece of english slang, AleviGal.. No need to apologize :)

thank you for understanding.

.
TCypriot, where are you, by the way??:pisman

He has lost his interest, perhaps. :o

He has lost his interest, perhaps. :o
wot a shame!! :kapaligöz

Where he went remained a mystery:)

Perhaps, he broke up with his alevi girlfriend, and all of his interest for Alevism is gone :)

:lol: u are soo funny...if he finds another girlfriend(alevi) he'll cum back...:lol:

Then, Aleviforum is a perfect place for that matter, there're plenty of nice girls on this board. :thumbup1: :001_tt1: :001_tt2: :innocent:

Then, Aleviforum is a perfect place for that matter, there're plenty of nice girls on this board. :thumbup1: :001_tt1: :001_tt2: :innocent:
ohöm ohömmmmmmmmmmmmm :mad: :cursing:

Then, Aleviforum is a perfect place for that matter, there're plenty of nice girls on this board.

ridiculous !!!

even if its a joke, it is so NOT funny!

what do you mean there is pleanty on board ! there is no one for sale around here !

No offence! I withdraw my words :blush: :surrender

No offence! I withdraw my words :blush: :surrender


i hope so.. even if it was a joke i didnt expect it from u... disgrace :001_tt2:

You can delete the posts of mine...

Then, Aleviforum is a perfect place for that matter, there're plenty of nice girls on this board. :thumbup1: :001_tt1: :001_tt2: :innocent:

i dont want to be racist but i dont think as an alevi girl i'll go for a sunni guy....:whistling

i dont want to be racist but i dont think as an alevi girl i'll go for a sunni guy....:whistling


Yeah, its not anything to do with racism, and i totally agree with u... As an Alevi girl, i dont agree with cross-cultured relationships too...

By the way, as you live abroad, what does Alevi parents think about a bride or groom of non-Turkish background? Do they have reservations for this type of marriages?
Of my own experience, I have come to conclusion that Alevi parents are more doubtful about the marriages between a sunni and alevi than the marriages between an alevi and a non-turkish. At least that's case in my own family.

By the way, as you live abroad, what does Alevi parents think about a bride or groom of non-Turkish background? Do they have reservations for this type of marriages?
Of my own experience, I have come to conclusion that Alevi parents are more doubtful about the marriages between a sunni and alevi than the marriages between an alevi and a non-turkish. At least that's case in my own family.
hmm, they probably say: "gavura git, yezidden iyidir!" (Sorry, NOT MY WORDS) but of course, they don't mean it. this statement only shows how much importance our parents lay on their wish that we don't mix up with sunnis.. but of course, it is also a nightmare if we marry a non-turkish man.. many men can marry a non-turkish woman, but not the other way round. at least I couldn't.. must be a turkish guy and an alevi, but I want this as well, not only because of my mother..

i agree with u adi guzel alim...my parents say the same thing...but if i say "my i love dis guy, he is black" i dont wanna think wat's gonna happen to me after my last word...i think she'll show me wat a black looks like...

ooopppssssssss but choosinfg a black guy is really choosing an extreme!! ooooppppsss, yes they would show you what black feels like, ahahah... May God give us all adequate "nasip"s. :p

dat was an example...i dont want a black guy.,..u mad.

i knowwww ahahah anyway, i said u chose the very best extreme to set an example, ahahah..

i kno i think it was a bad example.

Hmm.. I see.

hiya there. i have just read topic N read some commends. according to me he is a TC idiot who is liar. i am sad to c u because of u have been trying to help him. pls shouldnt be worry he is better tna us who is Alevi who is Sunni. he said that i dont turkish and wrote that ben türkçe bilmiyorum. please look at this forum site some1 cant write turkish well but neither did him. anyway i dont wanna write so much

All in all, i dont believe him and i am definitely right and he is Turk N speaking Turkisk like us. take care your healties kiss your Cheeks CANLAR!.. ( be careful for those enemies )

BTW: You use Genitive case ('s) while meaning Alevis, Zazas and Kurds. You should use Plural case instead.
It seems you have missed the first English lessons in class.
Sorry but I had to say that :lol:

Nice to see you here.

Lol its depends.

When I post messages when I'm tired then I become prone to make mistakes.

who eva said dis to u, u got the info wrong darling cos its not alevis who hate sunni's, its the other way round...but den again if u cnt get love, u wont give love in return.

Well I dunno?
I dont hate any Turk because of his/her religion.

I dont hate the Azeris because they are Shiite!

i wasnt suprised when TCypriot writ that he doesnt know turkish i have a lot of turkish cypriot mates that cant speak turkish and the ones that can,cant speak it propely although there are cypriot people that can speak full turkish. And i think this is caused by the families that prefers to speak english at home and as there first language.

Its quite sad.
I want to learn Turkish, at my university there is a course where I can learn basic Turkish. I will try that when university starts again. I dont think it would be too hard as it would be basic Turkish. I should just go to Turkey for a year and then I should learn it.

gule_can what country do you live in? Are there lots of Turkish Cypriots in your country?

Perhaps, its has got something to do with turkish cypriot mentality. They're inclined to define themselves more as cypriot than as turkish. Given that Cyprus island was a multicultural place, traditionally cypriot turks are more open to switch their languages and customs easily. And that's not essentially a bad thing. I appreciate that..


This is quite interesting. There are some Turkish Cypriots who just call themselves 'Cypriots'. I dislike these ones. They are the ones who forget about the way the Greeks treated us before 1974!

There are Turkish Cypriots who call themselves Turkish Cypriots. Who love the KKTC.

I agree with you that Turkish Cypriots become assimilated easily. If KKTC is united with the south then I fear that the Turkish Cypriots will be assimilated.

Among Turks, I have found out that Turkish cypriots are most relaxed and tolerant people, whereas mainland (turkey) is more conservative and overly patriotic.
I am half mainland Turkish and half Turkish Cypriot.

Does that make me a relaxed, tolerant, conservative who is overly patriotic? :ohmy: I cant even see how that will work out...

Although I dont know the Turkish language I am still very patriotic and I love Turkey. I am sure some Turks in Turkey wont accept me as a Turk because I dont know Turkish.

:36_1_48: it is... but there not gaining anything from what they are doing , infact the more they do that as you can see the more their children will want to know about their own culture and things related to thier culture.
i hope that one day all these parents these parents who are taking a step in this way realize what they are doing, because they are just taking things away from their children... which i find rather wrong.Yes, of course, definately... I am sure they're aware of their mistakes but maybe they want their kids to concentrate perfectly just on ONE language, which in this case is English, there are so many examples where children, who grow up bilingually, know their mother tongue as well but whose English is rubbish. This of course is a problem because it has a great impact on your career later on and stuff like that.. So, it's okay to practise the foreign language more, but every parent should try to teach their kids simultaniously to speak and understand their own language.
TCypriot, where are you, by the way??:pisman

In England the education system is rubbish for langauges. In places like Sweden and Switzerland it is much better. My parents have told me that it was their mistake for not teaching me Turkish when I was young.

Who is the situation with the Turks in Germany? Are they losing their identity or is it still strong?

As I have already said (several times) I want to learn Turkish. I want to regain my lost Turkish culture. The problem is that it would be harder for me to learn and for me to pass it onto my children (when I have them) if I dont have a Turkish wife. What am I going to do? Never date a non-Turkish woman?
Kısa zaman içinde ard arda mesaj yazıldığı için sistem tarafından mesajlar birleştirilmiştir (otomesajdır, Alevimen)
i dont want to be racist but i dont think as an alevi girl i'll go for a sunni guy....:whistling
Is that for religious reasons?
Or is it that you Alevis really do hate Sunnis?

Nowadays Greeks (Orthodox Christians) are marrying Turks (Sunni) and you guys are saying that you wouldnt even marry a non Alevi Turk?!

Maybe its because you automatically fear that if you marry a Sunni then your children will become Sunni and not Alevi? Why do you think this will happen?
Kısa zaman içinde ard arda mesaj yazıldığı için sistem tarafından mesajlar birleştirilmiştir (otomesajdır, Alevimen)
i dont want to be racist but i dont think as an alevi girl i'll go for a sunni guy....:whistling
Is that for religious reasons?
Or is it that you Alevis really do hate Sunnis?

Nowadays Greeks (Orthodox Christians) are marrying Turks (Sunni) and you guys are saying that you wouldnt even marry a non Alevi Turk?!

Maybe its because you automatically fear that if you marry a Sunni then your children will become Sunni and not Alevi? Why do you think this will happen?

Last edited by TCypriot : Today at 18:40. Reason: Ard arda mesaj yazýlmamasý için oto-sistem devreye girmiþtir?

What does this mean?

hiya there. i have just read topic N read some commends. according to me he is a TC idiot who is liar. i am sad to c u because of u have been trying to help him. pls shouldnt be worry he is better tna us who is Alevi who is Sunni. he said that i dont turkish and wrote that ben türkçe bilmiyorum. please look at this forum site some1 cant write turkish well but neither did him. anyway i dont wanna write so much

All in all, i dont believe him and i am definitely right and he is Turk N speaking Turkisk like us. take care your healties kiss your Cheeks CANLAR!.. ( be careful for those enemies )

What do I have to gain by lying? Answer me that? What do you think I am? The moderators can check my IP and it will show that I am not in Turkey but in England.

When did I say I am better than you because I am Sunni! :blink:

You are just paranoid for some reason...

I am here so I can correct my misconceptions of Alevis (which many Sunnis have). But if you want me to learn from you (and not some website or from a Sunni that says Alevis are evil/kafirs/eşeks) then good. If you want me to keep my knowledge of Alevis from non-Alevis sources then OK I can go.

If people dont want me here then I will go.

hi cypriot, wot's ur name by the way?
this ard arda mesaj... means, that your double posts will be merged together :)
gule can is from england, so: same country as you.
turkish people here in germany put a great importance on their native language. children are generally raised up bilingually, speaking turkish at home and learning german from their elder sisters and brothers who already go to school, and when they finally enter the kindergarden, they are first confronted with "real german", i.e. german from german native speakers. it's always easier to learn from your peer group.
no, it's generally the other way round: sunnis dislike alevis, we are very tolerant people. we would never consider ourselves to be something superior to other religious groups. it's hard to mix with them by means of marriage because first they are really strict and don't accept non-sunni daughter/son-in- laws and second, even if you marry anyway, against your parents' will, it is often the case that religion results as a problem between husband and wife, above all, if your parent really keep influencing your life.
lots of love.

@TCypriot

That was just a bald generalisation. Surely, everyone doesn't fit to that..

gule_can what country do you live in? Are there lots of Turkish Cypriots in your country?
as zeyno has said i am from england like you and there are quiet alot turkish cypriots here as you will know... by the way where abouts do you live in england?

Hey CanLaR =)
I have recently joined this forum and i am happy to be here.
I am a young half turkish and half kurdish alevi who is living in the UK.
I just wanted to post this message bcoz i wanted to thank all you guys for being extreemly helpful within the forum. Not only in turkish but the english section of the forum is so helpful. during my time of being here i have gained a lot of useful information about my religion. and once again i would like to thank everyone for being such a wonderful community and supporting one-another.
God bless us!

I respect every individual who respects me for who i am.. i am Alevi

Hey CanLaR =)
I have recently joined this forum and i am happy to be here.
I am a young half turkish and half kurdish alevi who is living in the UK.
I just wanted to post this message bcoz i wanted to thank all you guys for being extreemly helpful within the forum. Not only in turkish but the english section of the forum is so helpful. during my time of being here i have gained a lot of useful information about my religion. and once again i would like to thank everyone for being such a wonderful community and supporting one-another.
God bless us!

I respect every individual who respects me for who i am.. i am Alevi

welcome again Alevi can

Its wonderfull as being half turkis and half kurdish. I am Pure Zaza and aLevi lol:

You can inform more about alevism and self satisfied. Follow Alevism. ;)

I think you can write in Turkish too. It can be helpfull for more information about Alevism.

Ali bless us! :)

Welcome everyone, wonderful to have English people here (or people that speak English).

Iyi is basarmisiz :thumbup1:

welcome proncess and besiktasli canlar.. good to see you here, thx for joining us.
lots of love.

welcome proncess and besiktasli canlar.. good to see you here, thx for joining us.
lots of love.

Ben Türküm can :thumbup1: :001_tt2: :laugh:

hahahahha tamam daaaaaaa ben gavur demedim ki sana, hos geldin mesaji yazdim sadece..
welcome :)

New members,welcome to our site!... :D

I was in college in cyprus 8 yrs ago. According to my views, Turkish Cypriots didn't like the people who immigrated from Adana, Mersen, and some other cities. The reason for that the people who immigrated to Cyprus were alll criminals. They did a lot of terrible things like rape, robbery, corruptions. I don't blame the Turkish Cypriots for thier actions against those people. Most Turkish Cypriots are liberal...and when I ask most of my local friends about their belief about being alevi or sunni, they didn't even know how to answer that question. Most of them don't go to Mosque or pray 5 times or fast. And some told me that during the Ottoman era many Alevi Turcomans who revolted against the govt were exciled to Cyprus. As an Alevi person, I realize that most of the Turkish cypriots are Alevi.