I am a Muslim convert. I began a Sunni but no longer think Sunnism is the true Islam. I have been reading about Alevi and Bektashi ideas for some time and wish to go further.

But I have read that you cannot covert to Alevism, is this true?

I don't believe so...because , alevism is a way life (a philosophy)
for example, to the majority of alevis,'the important thing is not religion , but being a human being'..

my kabaa , is a human being..

'the greatest holy book to be read is human being '..and so on..

consequently,alevism is a way life (a philosophy)..(of course , I think:):):):))

You can convert to Bektashism like Edip Harabi did when he was 17.
He became a very famous nefes (lyrics) author.

There is a fundamental equation like:
"Every Alevi is Bektashi but not every Bektashi is Alevi."
This has something to do with the ocak cult in Alevism.

For more information about Bektashism see here:
http://www.bektashi.net/

I think , alevism is a way life..therefore ,he can convert to alevi

@izmirksk:
If you say that Alevism is rather a way of life than a religous way then it is not possible to "convert" because "convert" describes the change from one religous "path" to another.

Bektashism is the institutionalised form of Alevism therfore he can convert to Bektashism.
For being an Alevi he must belong to an Ashiret and a specific Ocak.
The reason for your thesis that Alevism is a way of life insists in this feudal structure which handles the every day life of every member.

actually,(as far as I know) alevism is a philosophy(or way life)
by the way ,
the first known ethnic alevi?
Turk Alevis?
kurd alevis?
arab alevis?
zaza alevis?
which?
other alevi ethnic groups ?

I am a Muslim convert. I began a Sunni but no longer think Sunnism is the true Islam. I have been reading about Alevi and Bektashi ideas for some time and wish to go further.

But I have read that you cannot covert to Alevism, is this true?

You are right. When some persons want to convert islam, they choose sunni way. But Sunnism isn't the true way because they don't know 12 imams, Hz.Ali. 12 imams always support people but Sunnism always support strong people. Alevism says if a person doesn't love humanity, he can't love hak(Allah).

You have been reading Alevi-Bektashi way so you know about. I can say that you can convert into Alevism with only Bektashi way. You can named Alevi but your way is Bektashi, It's a little different but same way.
www.bektashi.net has include lots of things about bekthashi way.

Second way to became an Alevi is knowing about Alevi lifestyle and You can be a true person with loving all people.

Alevism says:

Love is our religion
We don't believe in any other religion.

You should research Alawi Bektashi İslam.
If you choose Sunni Islam, you must apply Emevi Culture.
Alawi / Bektashi İslam supports HZ.Muhammed's Ehlibeyt and 12 Imam.
Because, The Real Islam is Alawism Culture but you cant describe Alawism Culture with only Islam.

Actually Alawi Islam ise a cosmic religion.Alawi Islam contains other Religion's ritüels and beliefs.For İnstance; Zerdüşt and Ezidi beliefs ( Kurd/Zaza), Anatolia's ancient beliefs and ancient Turkmen Traditions..

Thanks everyone.

The problem is that there is no Bektashi tekke near me.

Is the Mursit a necessary prerequiste of belief?

What's your nationality?

You shouldnt choose Sunnı Islam.
Sunnı Islam has strict fundamental.

İn my opinion, Alawi / Bektashı Islam is the best liberalistic cult in Anatolia maybe world because Our cult includes equality, brotherhood etc..

I live in London and have a Scottish background.

I live in London and have a Scottish background.

Scottish culture is fascinating. It has own pagan culture before christianity.

In London there are lots of Alevi people. You can connect with Alevi people in "cemevi" .

London Alevi cultural centre and cemevi
89 Ridley Road, London E8 2NH

I found that adresse in web search. Its nearist cemevi in London i thing.

to be frank,as far as I am concerned , the problem can be solved :).only logic.....other method null and void :):)

You shouldnt choose Sunnı Islam.
Sunnı Islam has strict fundamental.

İn my opinion, Alawi / Bektashı Islam is the best liberalistic cult in Anatolia maybe world because Our cult includes equality, brotherhood etc..

Dear Soreş

I am so much happy to see you here writing in English...I bid your success will be continue...Congragulations!by the way,Alawism is the most perfect belieth in the world that is for sure!

I don't believe so...because , alevism is a way life (a philosophy)
for example, to the majority of alevis,'the important thing is not religion , but being a human being'..

my kabaa , is a human being..

'the greatest holy book to be read is human being '..and so on..

consequently,alevism is a way life (a philosophy)..(of course , I think:):):):))

U my guy as every mankind do, u can also think.But there's no way to convert from one sect to another....we have boundaries...

I am a Muslim convert. I began a Sunni but no longer think Sunnism is the true Islam. I have been reading about Alevi and Bektashi ideas for some time and wish to go further.

But I have read that you cannot covert to Alevism, is this true?

Hello mahaddish. I am Alevi from ShiaChat. I have tried to write to you lots of times, but it seems like your inbox is full or that you have disabled your pm functions.

I still have the answer for your last questions if you want them. Hope you see this.

Best regards
AleviKurd

I don't believe in any rituals in order to convert into a religion. It is how you feel in your heart not some social ceremonies. It should be a ritual in your heart between you and the God. Who says you can or cannot convert into a religion? Since Alevism is a mystic and humanatarian religion or beleif anyone is welcomed to accept its philosophy and way of life. One of the main beleifs in Alevism or Bektashi is that they don't judge you. So whatever your background is, whatever race you belong etc. you are warmly welcomed. That`s what it makes it unique... If Iam wrong, anyone please let me know...

Thanx.......

I am a Muslim convert. I began a Sunni but no longer think Sunnism is the true Islam. I have been reading about Alevi and Bektashi ideas for some time and wish to go further.

But I have read that you cannot covert to Alevism, is this true?

As the first,I am so glad from your interest in Alevism!

Alevism is a philosophy,a life form,a culture and a belief...I suppose that after your researchs,you have an interest.If you really want to take more detailed information about Alevism,you can contact to London Alevi Culture centre.

Alevism is a culture so you can continue your life with Alevism of course.

I am a Zaza Alevi and we Zaza Alevis from Dersim are non Muslims. There isn't such a thing like convert in alevism and it never existed. I am actually thinking to convert to Zorastrism although it is very difficult almost impossible.

@izmirksk:
If you say that Alevism is rather a way of life than a religous way then it is not possible to "convert" because "convert" describes the change from one religous "path" to another.

Bektashism is the institutionalised form of Alevism therfore he can convert to Bektashism.
For being an Alevi he must belong to an Ashiret and a specific Ocak.
The reason for your thesis that Alevism is a way of life insists in this feudal structure which handles the every day life of every member.


Hello
That´s right:Bektashism is the institutionalised form of Alevism.

There are two groups of Bektashis.One, called the Celebis and a larger group called the dedes or dedebabas, claimed that Haci Bektas had no natural sons but a spiritual disciples.

A person becomes only an Alevi by being born into an Alevi family, on the other side:a person can become a Bektasi by joining this
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Hi pınar u ok? :D

ı m not trust all belief...because ı can only believe god.we arw only peoples.innability peoples!!! and thnx for topic :)

I am a Zaza Alevi and we Zaza Alevis from Dersim are non Muslims.

Hi Kayitsiz üye,

do you have more information about this statement or it is your personal attitude ?

Hi Kayitsiz üye,

do you have more information about this statement or it is your personal attitude ?

Dear Birsen

The website of the "Dersims" contains more information about this statement.
I think,it isn´t the personelle atitude of him



Lovely kisses

Pinos

Dear Birsen

The website of the "Dersims" contains more information about this statement.
I think,it isn´t the personelle atitude of him



Lovely kisses

Pinos

Sweet Pinar,

thenk´s for your help, your are very lovely darling!:001_wub:

birsen

Sweet Pinar,

thenk´s for your help, your are very lovely darling!:001_wub:

birsen

Thank you very much for your kind words :blushing:
It´s a honor to be among your friend
i will you see in the next time


Lovely kisses

Pinar

I am a Muslim convert. I began a Sunni but no longer think Sunnism is the true Islam. I have been reading about Alevi and Bektashi ideas for some time and wish to go further.

But I have read that you cannot covert to Alevism, is this true?

Hi,

You are born as an Alevi, ''converting'' is not the right word for this question I guess.

First what you need to know is that the Alevism is more a lifestyle than a religion. If you can't love people, you can't love Allah. That's the essence of the Alevism. As I said: it's more an lifestyle. That's the big difference. We aren't that fundamental as the Sünni's (thank Allah) and that is where people make mistakes. The people I'am aming at, are the people who aren't Muslim and are ''mobbing''. We ain't muslim too, but those people don't know that. It's very hard to tell them the ''real'' love, but hey we don't care. Alevism is the best you can get, believe me.

We are humanists and we are proud of it. :thumbup1:

Yours faithfully,

Kaan

yea as he said alevisim is a life style more than a secterian. u can be an alevi i think but livin dis life style is more important;)

I am a Zaza Alevi and we Zaza Alevis from Dersim are non Muslims. There isn't such a thing like convert in alevism and it never existed. I am actually thinking to convert to Zorastrism although it is very difficult almost impossible.

u see what u said?:S u r talkin nosense.i am also zaza dun talk about all zazas. cos u r a boy but all da zaza people ok? dun talk about us only talk privately:S

It depends on which type of Alevi one wants to become.

Traditional Alevism is a belief. And it still is. People who claim that Alevism is nothing more than a "philosophy", "way of life" or a "culture" are just not attached to Alevism itself (as belief), but only live like Alevis normally do. So people nowadays use the word "Alevi" more like if it was an ethnicity, e.g. like being a Kurd or a Turk.

And according to Alevism theoretically, you can't become and Alevi, but you have to be born one. But practically, we have seen in our history, that many Sunnites have converted to Alevism. Also recently.

After all every Alevi is a convert somewhere in the history.

It depends on which type of Alevi one wants to become.

Traditional Alevism is a belief. And it still is. People who claim that Alevism is nothing more than a "philosophy", "way of life" or a "culture" are just not attached to Alevism itself (as belief), but only live like Alevis normal do. So people nowadays use the word "Alevi" more like if it was an ethnicity, e.g. like being a Kurd or a Turk.

And according to Alevism theoretically, you can't become and Alevi, but you have to be born one. But practically, we have seen in our history, that many Sunnites have converted to Alevism. Also recently.

After all every Alevi is a convert somewhere in the history.

for example mahsuni şerif;)

It depends on which type of Alevi one wants to become.

Traditional Alevism is a belief. And it still is. People who claim that Alevism is nothing more than a "philosophy", "way of life" or a "culture" are just not attached to Alevism itself (as belief), but only live like Alevis normal do. So people nowadays use the word "Alevi" more like if it was an ethnicity, e.g. like being a Kurd or a Turk.

And according to Alevism theoretically, you can't become and Alevi, but you have to be born one. But practically, we have seen in our history, that many Sunnites have converted to Alevism. Also recently.

After all every Alevi is a convert somewhere in the history.

That is really a spectecular explanation.I just want to thank a lot to you.
As the first,Alevism is a belief.That is for sure.
Doors of Alevism are always open to the people who want to really continue their lives with Alevism Theory.In this respect,It's not too true to say"Nobody can become Alevi but has to be born one."
Because according to this situation,Reha Çamuroğlu is an alevi as well:lol:
Thank you very much for this awesome explanation.:thumbup1:

Yeah, if u believe in alevism, u can be alevi. No one should confuse notion of observed subjects. Alevism is not an ethnicity, it is just a belief. And it depends on ur view.

for example mahsuni şerif;)

It is a wrong example. Mahsuni Şerif is an original alevi. He is from Berçenek which is famous for alevism in Maraş.

thanks for your wonderful message dear Alevikürt

Alevi people followers of the twelvers,a Shia sect.
Allah is merely the good in man.Alevi worship is not conducted in a mosque,but it is connected with the dede(elder),cem(a gathering) and the cemevi(meeting house to pray)
You can become an alevi only by beiing born into an alevi family


Lovely wishes