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Canan
12.12.2005, 21:50
imagine there's no heaven,
it's easy if you try
no hell below us
above us only sky
imagine all the people
living for today....

imagine there's no countries
it isn't hard to do
nothing to kill or die for
no religion too
imagine all the people
living life in peace....

imagine no possesions
i wonder if you can
no need for greed or hunger
a brotherhood of man
imagine all the people
sharing all the world

you may say i'm a dreamer
but i'm not the only one
i hope some day you'll join us
and the world will live as one...

JOHN LENNON

rockçı turna
12.12.2005, 21:57
wawwww!!! i ''imagine'' and ı think it s an beautiful utopia. john lennon is like an anarchist man:)

Canan
12.12.2005, 22:02
wawwww!!! i imagine and ı think it s an beautiful utopia. john lennon is like an anarchist man:)

i am such a big fan of john lennon.
when you read that poem dont you just want to become a hippi???? i do

what do you think about his death?????
he was killed by an ex-fan religious extremest (:3D_NG (8) *#^"#/:3D_NG (8) ) but most people say that it was the CIA who killed him.

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 22:03
Hi canan, thank u very much 4 that great poem! At first sight, I thought it was u who wrote it! Then I saw it was written by a guy called John Lennon! (Don't know him by the way...)
This is the perfect place 4 this poem, it really describes our opinion. So, I really believed it could have been written by one of us.. Thanx 4 ur sharing, it's absolutely fabulous. But unfortunately, I think this is never going 2 happen, is it? Just UTOPIA, as Rockercrane said.

Hacibektasli
12.12.2005, 22:04
Thank you for John Lennon Canan.Here you can find John Lennon's biographie if you're interested.

John Lennon (http://www.john-lennon.net/)

Born
October 9, 1940
John Winston Lennon (http://www.johnwinstonlennon.com/)

Assassinated
December 8, 1980
John Winston Ono Lennon (http://www.yoko-ono.com/)
http://www.john-lennon.com/johnnylennon.jpg (http://www.john-lennon.com/)

Family History And Early Years Of John Winston Lennon
JohnWinstonLennon.com (http://www.johnwinstonlennon.com/)
(http://www.johnwinstonlennon.com/)
http://www.john-lennon.com/lennon-bio.jpg (http://www.john-lennon.com/index.htm)

John Winston Ono Lennon has been exhumed in print more than any other popular musical figure, including the late Elvis Presley (http://elvis-aaron-presley.com/), of whom Lennon said that he "died when he went into the army". Such was the cutting wit of a deeply loved and sadly missed giant of the twentieth century. As a member of the world's most successful group ever, he changed lives, mostly for the better. Following the painful collapse of The Beatles (http://www.johnpaulgeorgeandringo.com/), he came out a wiser but angrier person. Together with his wife Yoko Ono (http://yoko-ono.com/), he attempted to transform the world through non-musical means.
To many they appeared as naive crackpots; Ono in particular has been victim of some appalling insults in the press. One example shown in the film Imagine depicts the cartoonist Al Capp being both hostile and dangerously abusive. Their bed-in in Amsterdam and Montreal, their black bag appearances on stage, their innocent flirting with political activists and radicals, all received massive media attention. These events were in search of world peace, which regrettably was unachievable. What Lennon did achieve, however, was to educate us all to the idea of world peace. During the Gulf War of 1991, time and time again various representatives of those countries who were initially opposed to war (and then asked for a cease-fire), unconsciously used Lennon's words; "Give Peace A Chance". The importance of that lyric could never have been contemplated, when a bunch of mostly stoned members of the Plastic Ono Band sat on the floor of the Hotel La Reine and recorded "Give Peace A Chance", a song that has grown in stature since its release in 1969. Lennon's solo career began a year earlier with Unfinished Music No 1 - Two Virgins. The sleeve depicted him and Ono standing naked, and the cover became better known than the disjointed sound effects contained within. Three months later Lennon continued his marvellous joke on us, with Unfinished Music No 2 - Life With The Lions. One side consisted of John and Yoko calling out to each other during her stay in a London hospital while pregnant. Lennon camped by the side of her bed during her confinement and subsequent miscarriage. Four months after "Give Peace a Chance", "Cold Turkey" arrived via the Plastic Ono Band, consisting of Lennon, Ono, Eric Clapton (http://eric-clapton.com/), Klaus Voormann and drummer Alan White. This raw rock song about heroin withdrawal was also a hit, although it failed to make the UK Top 10. Again, Lennon's incorrigible wit worked when he sent back his MBE to the Queen, protesting about the Biafran war, Britain supporting the American involvement in Vietnam and "Cold Turkey" slipping down the charts.
In February 1970, a freshly cropped-headed Lennon was seen performing "Instant Karma' on the BBC Television programme Top Of The Pops; this drastic action was another anti-war protest. This Phil Spector-produced offering was his most melodic post-Beatles song to date and was his biggest hit thus far in the UK and the USA. The release of John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band in January 1971 was a shock to the system for most Beatles" fans. This stark "primal scream" album was recorded following treatment with Dr. Arthur Janov. It is as brilliant as it is disturbing. Lennon poured out much of his bitterness from his childhood and adolescence, neat and undiluted. The screaming "Mother" finds Lennon grieving for her loss and begging for his father. Lennon's Dylanesque "Working Class Hero (http://entertainmentworld.us/Beatles.asp)" is another stand-out track; in less vitriolic tone he croons: "A working class hero is something to be, if you want to be a hero then just follow me". The irony is that Lennon was textbook middle-class and his agony stemmed from the fact that he wanted to be working-class. The work was a cathartic exorcism for Lennon, most revealing on "God", in which he voiced the heretical, "I don't believe in the Beatles . . . ", before adding, "I just believe in me, Yoko and me, and that's reality." More than any other work in the Lennon canon, this was a farewell to the past. The album was brilliant, and 20 or more years later, it is regarded as his finest complete work.
His most creative year was 1971. Following the album Lennon released another strong single, "Power To The People". After his move to New York, the follow-up Imagine was released in October. Whilst the album immediately went to number 1 internationally, it was a patchy collection. The attack on Paul McCartney in "How Do You Sleep?" was laboured over in the press and it took two decades before another track, "Jealous Guy", was accepted as a classic, and only then after Bryan Ferry's masterly cover became a number 1 hit. Lennon's resentment towards politicians was superbly documented in "Gimme Some Truth" when he spat out, "I'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites". The title track, however, remains as one of his greatest songs. Musically "Imagine" is extraordinarily simple, but the combination of that simplicity and the timeless lyrics make it one of the finest songs of the century. A Christmas single came in December, "Happy Christmas (War Is Over) (http://www.john-lennon.com/happyxmas.ra)", another song destined for immortality and annual reissue. Again, an embarrassingly simple message: "War is over if you want it".
The following year Sometime In New York City was issued; this double set contained a number of political songs, and was written during the peak of Lennon's involvement with hippie-radical, Jerry Rubin. Lennon addresses numerous problems with angry lyrics over deceptively melodic songs. The lilting and seemingly innocent "Luck Of The Irish" is one example of melody with scathing comment. The album's strongest track is yet another song with one of Lennon's statement-like titles: "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World". Once again he was ahead of the game, making a bold plea for women's rights a decade before it became fashionable. The following year he embarked on his struggle against deportation and the fight for his famous "green card". At the end of a comparatively quiet 1973, Lennon released Mind Games, an album that highlighted problems between him and Yoko. Shortly afterwards, Lennon left for his "lost weekend" and spent many months in Los Angeles in a haze of drugs and alcohol. During a brief sober moment he produced Nilsson's Pussycats. At the end of a dreadful year, Lennon released Walls And Bridges, which contained more marital material and a surprise US number 1, "Whatever Gets You Through The Night", a powerful rocker with Lennon sounding in complete control. That month (November 1974), he made his last ever concert appearance when he appeared onstage at Madison Square Garden with Elton John (http://elton-john.net/). That night Lennon was reunited with Ono and, in his words, "the separation failed".

Hacibektasli
12.12.2005, 22:04
The End of the biographie:

Rock 'N' Roll was released the next year; it was a tight and energetic celebration of many of his favourite songs, including "Slippin' And Slidin'", "Peggy Sue" and a superb "Stand By Me'. The critics and public loved it and it reached number 6 on both sides of the Atlantic. Following the birth of their son Sean, Lennon became a house husband, while Ono looked after their not inconsiderable business interests. Five years later, a new album was released to a relieved public and went straight to number 1 virtually worldwide. The following month, with fans still jubilant at Lennon's return, he was suddenly brutally murdered by a gunman outside his apartment building in Manhattan. Almost from the moment that Lennon's heart stopped in the Roosevelt Hospital the whole world reacted in unprecedented mourning, with scenes usually reserved for royalty and world leaders. His records were re-released and experienced similar sales and chart positions to that of the Beatles" heyday. While all this happened, one could "imagine" Lennon calmly looking down on us, watching the world's reaction, and having a huge celestial laugh.
Lennon had a brilliant sense of humour and a deeply romantic heart. He could be cruel and unbelievably kind; he could love you one minute and destroy you with his tongue a few minutes later. Opinions as to his character are subjective. What is undeniable, is that the body of songs he created with Paul McCartney is the finest popular music catalogue ever known. His composition "Imagine" was voted one of the songs of the millennium, and for many of us has more power and meaning than any national anthem.

Who Authorized The Assassination Of John Lennon?
by Mark R. Elsis
John-Lennon.net (http://www.john-lennon.net/) The Life Of John Lennon (http://www.john-lennon.com/thelifeofjohnlennon.htm)

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 22:05
Oh noooooooooooo JOHN LENNON - > THE BEATLES!!! Of courseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......... Oooooooooooopppppppppppssssssssssssss
Silly ME!! hahahaha

Hacibektasli
12.12.2005, 22:07
Oh noooooooooooo JOHN LENNON - > THE BEATLES!!! Of courseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......... Oooooooooooopppppppppppssssssssssssss
Silly ME!! hahahaha

What do you mean sister:3D_NG (4) .Yeah I have found a new word for abla.:3D_NG:

Alevimen
12.12.2005, 22:09
the beatles man :=)

Canan
12.12.2005, 22:10
Hi canan, thank u very much 4 that great poem! At first sight, I thought it was u who wrote it! Then I saw it was written by a guy called John Lennon! (Don't know him by the way...)
This is the perfect place 4 this poem, it really describes our opinion. So, I really believed it could have been written by one of us.. Thanx 4 ur sharing, it's absolutely fabulous. But unfortunately, I think this is never going 2 happen, is it? Just UTOPIA, as Rockercrane said.

thank you for your complimants.....
i agree the poem does reflect our philosophy very well.

p.s john lennon was a communist artist

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 22:11
What do you mean sister:3D_NG (4) .Yeah I have found a new word for abla.:3D_NG:
Hehehe I prefer the Turkish "abla" my dear, sister sounds odd in English...
Read my 1st reaction concerning this topic and you'll c what I mean by that sentence. Haha... I said, I didn't know John Lennon until I saw his black and white picture in your biography... Oooooooooooopssssssssss...

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 22:12
the beatles man :=)

Yeah man, I know Alevimen:3: hahaha... NOW I know....

Hacibektasli
12.12.2005, 22:15
Hehehe I prefer the Turkish "abla" my dear, sister sounds odd in English...
Read my 1st reaction concerning this topic and you'll c what I mean by that sentence. Haha... I said, I didn't know John Lennon until I saw his black and white picture in your biography... Oooooooooooopssssssssss...

Oh yes I have understand it.But you I think you're right sister in English seems to be very strange.

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 22:30
But I think you're right sister in English seems to be very strange.
Reminds me of those movies with black people in it (e.g. "SISTER ACT"), calling everybody: "sister" or "brother". And it also reminds me of my A'levels (German Abitur) in English, topic: The American Dream. Martin Luther King who dreamed of brotherhood.... Oh noooo, wish I could go back to school....

Hacibektasli
12.12.2005, 23:14
Reminds me of those movies with black people in it (e.g. "SISTER ACT"), calling everybody: "sister" or "brother". And it also reminds me of my A'levels (German Abitur) in English, topic: The American Dream. Martin Luther King who dreamed of brotherhood.... Oh noooo, wish I could go back to school....

A-Level in English.I want to do my A-level in English.English and biology.Or better to say:I hope I can do it.:3D_NG:

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 23:33
A-Level in English.I want to do my A-level in English.English and biology.Or better to say:I hope I can do it.:3D_NG:
Of course you can!!! Such an intelligent boy as you are, is of course able to achieve his A'levels..... I can help you if you like, honestly. It's not that I've got any doubts you wouldn't succeed without my help. No, but: I give private lessons, especially in foreign languages. I've been educating children for about 7 years now and I live near you. It's not a problem for me to meet and go through the A'levels stuff. I have kept all my stuff, from class 11-13 and I achieved 14 credit points in English(14 Punkte Abiturprüfung, glatte Eins). Hope that doesn't sound arrogant or something. So, when you get to upper school (Oberstufe) next year, feel free to contact me (no matter if you actually NEED any help or not, it's always worth practising) and I will be happy to help you. Okay?
PS: I would never suggest to meet a boy from this forum, but you are my little brother.
Lots of love.

Canan
12.12.2005, 23:33
A-Level in English.I want to do my A-level in English.English and biology.Or better to say:I hope I can do it.:3D_NG:

i have an A-level in english......
but i guess the one you do is different to the one i did. i did literature...

i also did psychology, sociology and turkish :)

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 23:41
i have an A-level in english......
but i guess the one you do is different to the one i did. i did literature...

i also did psychology, sociology and turkish :)
Wow Turkish??? Oh man, I have never been educated in Turkish at all. My sister attended a different school, so she had the possibility to choose our mother tongue but the school I went to, only offered French, Latin, Spanish, and Italian. I did all of them except Italian. But I never learned how to read and write my native language, isn't it sad? I think it is. And you could do your A#LEVEL in Turkish, oh wow!! In ENGLAND!!! Incredible!!!
I did mine in English, Educational Science, Biology ( I had to!) and Spanish. In English, we didn't only cope with Literature (as you did), but we also did history, cultural studies, literature, linguistics, translation, etc... A little bit of everything...

Ceyhun
12.12.2005, 23:46
Wow Turkish??? Oh man, I have never been educated in Turkish at all. My sister attended a different school, so she had the possibility to choose our mother tongue but the school I went to, only offered French, Latin, Spanish, and Italian. I did all of them except Italian. But I never learned how to read and write my native language, isn't it sad? I think it is. And you could do your A#LEVEL in Turkish, oh wow!! In ENGLAND!!! Incredible!!!
I did mine in English, Educational Science, Biology ( I had to!) and Spanish. In English, we didn't only cope with Literature (as you did), but we also did history, cultural studies, literature, linguistics, translation, etc... A little bit of everything...

Ohhhh :) You are clever girls :) Canan and you. We feel proud of you. Yours is impressive. But i think you must learn your native language more. Because you can talk yourself better with your native language. ;)

Bir Zeynep
12.12.2005, 23:51
Ohhhh :) You are clever girls :) Canan and you. We feel proud of you. Yours is impressive. But i think you must learn your native language more. Because you can talk yourself better with your native language. ;)
I knooooooow. Bless you!!! But you are absolutely right, there is no other language than one's mother tongue and I really really have got huge problems. I often can't say what I want to say. You can also see it in my argumentation in this forum here. :34:I really hope that I can improve my Turkish with your help.

Canan
12.12.2005, 23:53
Wow Turkish??? Oh man, I have never been educated in Turkish at all. My sister attended a different school, so she had the possibility to choose our mother tongue but the school I went to, only offered French, Latin, Spanish, and Italian. I did all of them except Italian. But I never learned how to read and write my native language, isn't it sad? I think it is. And you could do your A#LEVEL in Turkish, oh wow!! In ENGLAND!!! Incredible!!!
I did mine in English, Educational Science, Biology ( I had to!) and Spanish. In English, we didn't only cope with Literature (as you did), but we also did history, cultural studies, literature, linguistics, translation, etc... A little bit of everything...

i attended schol in turkey aswell for 2 years. so i have the basics.
every tukish person in england does an A-level in turkish, easy passes (it is so easy). plus the classes are sooooooooo fun. every lesson we would just rock the school. (dont put turks together,,,,,,big big mistake). my class started off with 10 boys and 2 girls at the end only 2 girls (me and my friend) sat the exam. the boys got kicked off one by one.

i did 2 years of spanish and 5 of french. my spanish is soooo bad but my french is okey aslong as its written and not spoken.

Ceyhun
12.12.2005, 23:53
I knooooooow. Bless you!!! But you are absolutely right, there is no other language than one's mother tongue and I really really have got huge problems. I often can't say what I want to say. You can also see it in my argumentation in this forum here. :34:I really hope that I can improve my Turkish with your help.

Yes. I believe you can. You must read. And we can help you when you want. ;)

Canan
12.12.2005, 23:56
I knooooooow. Bless you!!! But you are absolutely right, there is no other language than one's mother tongue and I really really have got huge problems. I often can't say what I want to say. You can also see it in my argumentation in this forum here. :34:I really hope that I can improve my Turkish with your help.

i think your turkish is very good.
you should hear the turkish of my cousins in germany. we speak in english with them.

Bir Zeynep
13.12.2005, 00:01
Yes. I believe you can. You must read. And we can help you when you want. ;)
Yes please, of course. Help me. But I HATE reading Turkish because it is so difficult. I mean, thanks God, I am not THAT BAD as it sounds. You must think, I don't know Turkish AT ALL. That's not true, I have a little accent of course, due to my residence in Germany. You can always distinguish between somebody from Germany and somebody from Turkey, right? But my pronunciation is quite okay. See my dialogue in the "Download/Mp3" section where I loaded some Turkish songs and the dialogue between me and the DJ from the radio. But I can't stand that highly elaborated formal language in books and other writings. It is terrible, I don't understand most of the words. They are not in my everyday-usage, do you know what I mean?
By the way, Gunal: YOUR English is quite nice. I am glad to see that. There are not MANY people in Turkey whose English is nice, I am afraid. Please don't call me prejudiced, this is the experience I have made. Sorry.

Bir Zeynep
13.12.2005, 00:08
i think your turkish is very good.
you should hear the turkish of my cousins in germany. we speak in english with them.
Thanks luv, I am glad to hear so but to be honest I don't feel very content with my Turkish. I don't know many many vocabularies, let alone that I have great problems with written Turkish in books for instance. As I said before, it is all so elaborated and difficult to understand. Yes, I believe that your cousins in Germany don't speak Turkish very well. There are lots and lots of young people who have difficulties. Especially when their parents are very young or let's say: that generation who have grown up here in Germany themselves, who speak German very well. Of course, then it's easier for the kids to speak German with their family. Or when you have elder sisters and brothers who you talk German to all the time. All this is not good for your Turkish, but well,.... is just happens.
Wow, Canan. You lived in Turkey and went to school there. Congrats luv, I really admire you. Your Turkish must be perfect. I am glad to hear that.

Hacibektasli
13.12.2005, 16:59
Of course you can!!! Such an intelligent boy as you are, is of course able to achieve his A'levels..... I can help you if you like, honestly. It's not that I've got any doubts you wouldn't succeed without my help. No, but: I give private lessons, especially in foreign languages. I've been educating children for about 7 years now and I live near you. It's not a problem for me to meet and go through the A'levels stuff. I have kept all my stuff, from class 11-13 and I achieved 14 credit points in English(14 Punkte Abiturprüfung, glatte Eins). Hope that doesn't sound arrogant or something. So, when you get to upper school (Oberstufe) next year, feel free to contact me (no matter if you actually NEED any help or not, it's always worth practising) and I will be happy to help you. Okay?
PS: I would never suggest to meet a boy from this forum, but you are my little brother.
Lots of love.

Woah that's very nice of you.When I need help I will contact you.I'm on a Realschule and my English is not very bad.(I have a 1 in English).But I know it will be harder on a A-Level school.I'm very happy that I have a sister who say little brother to me.I'm very happy for that.Thank you.

Bir Zeynep
13.12.2005, 17:49
Woah that's very nice of you.When I need help I will contact you.I'm on a Realschule and my English is not very bad.(I have a 1 in English).But I know it will be harder on a A-Level school.I'm very happy that I have a sister who say little brother to me.I'm very happy for that.Thank you.
"NOT BAD"?? You mean EXCELLENT!!! Great, Hacibektasli. Won't you let your sister know your real name, by the way?? :sas: You definately MUST do your A'levels at a Gymnasium, promise that! Don't ever go to a Gesamtschule, ok? I'm so proud of you little Brother.

Hacibektasli
13.12.2005, 19:25
"NOT BAD"?? You mean EXCELLENT!!! Great, Hacibektasli. Won't you let your sister know your real name, by the way?? :sas: You definately MUST do your A'levels at a Gymnasium, promise that! Don't ever go to a Gesamtschule, ok? I'm so proud of you little Brother.

Thank you very very much for these compliments.But I must say that your English must be fantastic.A 1 in aA-Level with the maximum Points that's very hard.My name is Erdinc.I'm very happy too that I have a succesfull sister like you.

Canim Ya Ali
17.12.2005, 00:11
No Heaven no religion no hell ... so ?
What you think about the text ... it´s sounds like to be a
atheist ... could it be possible to life this way or would be right ?

I´m it is a quite good song but what about the meaning of the text ?

If there is no heaven ... so what would be with our hope ... what we reach for ?

And by the way ... what would be the more social way ... komunizim or kapitalizim, sozializm ... ?




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Su inglizce isi basa bela bi türlü ögrenemedim ... özür dilerim ...

Canan
17.12.2005, 01:13
No Heaven no religion no hell ... so ?
What you think about the text ... it´s sounds like to be a
atheist ... could it be possible to life this way or would be right ?


in most religions the concept of afterlife (heaven and hell), is used to create conformity. (i beleive Alevism isnt one of these religions) telling people to behave in a certain way in order to avoid punishement in after life. such things limit the freedom of people, especially the poor (by labelling rebellion as a sin and the rulling class as God sent).
as Karl Marx said "religion is the opion of the masses". the meaning of these lyric's is clear: wont we be more happy if we didnt have the fear of punishment in after life?.
i have no doubt that John Lennon was an atheist.....

one part of me agrees with the quote i agree belief in God is Vital, maybe because i believe in God myself but i also agree with the fact religion creates invisible boundaries similar to nationalities and countries. this in turn leads to discrimination between the socially created groups.


I´m it is a quite good song but what about the meaning of the text ?

quite a good song???????? no darling it is an excellent song. even those lyrics you've highlighted above have alot of meaning and implication to society.

If there is no heaven ... so what would be with our hope ... what we reach for ?


this i definatly do not agree with. people have to be taught not to think selfishly. people should behave in a loving, good, and caring way not because of it's rewards (heaven) but for the good and well being of humanity.



And by the way ... what would be the more social way ... komunizim or kapitalizim, sozializm ... ?

ideal would be communism. but socialism aint bad. either would do i guess.

P.S- your English aint bad need help with grammer. a quick reminder...use 'an' in front of words starting with A,E,I,O,U..e.g an atheist rather than a atheist.

TheGodfather
17.12.2005, 13:55
I can't imagine such a world..I wish it would come true..:3D_NG (9)
But I like John Lennon..I'm fond of the beatles..

Leyla
10.01.2006, 19:26
So, just out of interest....APART from the beatles and JOhn Lennon.....i was wondering if you thought alot of English songs are faith orientated, every song i've come across has some some sort of reference to God, faith or belief....do you think Music is becoming the new channel of influence and brain wash?

I say this because you have artist such as Kanye west (who's music i do actually like and listen to), production of 'Jesus Walks', or Destiny's Child 'Through with love' song which in the final verse they state "I've finally found love in God" and so on.....i'm not actaully debating anything here, i was just wondering if our muisc is or will be used as a form of political, economical and religious righteousness in order to sway people a certain direction?

I think it started long time ago...but what are your views?

Shaman
10.01.2006, 22:16
Hello Leyla,

I want to congratulate you on choosing to write about this issue. It is an interesting point.

I think the music industry is very powerful. Listeners, especially younger ones may be affected by what they hear.

I listen to artists such as Kanye West or Destiny's child but I dont automatically think, oh my god, I am becoming a Christian. When I listen to a track, I listen to the story, I listen to Kanye's love for the all mighty but I dont feel what he is feeling, I can just sympathise with him.

I think that it is ok for artists to portray their beliefs with the aid of music, however, I do not agree with them exaggerating to the point where it becomes disrespectful to people of other faiths and beliefs.

In relation to Turkey, in the past, artists, especially ones who were Alevi and Kurdish were unable to sing something that wasnt the norm, artists were executed, it was very strict in the past from what I have read and heard, however, today, it is different, it is less strict as it use to be as the government and the Turkish people themselves have come to accept Human Rights but there are still restrictions which need to be demolished for good.

I guess with time everyone, no matter what colour or language they speak will be able to sing and act according to their beliefs without being discriminated against.

Leyla
14.01.2006, 17:22
Discrimination, Prejudice, sexism, racisim etc....these are all factors that are covered in songs! For example, Christina Auguilera, Spice Girls, Destiny's child- they have at all point made a production of song about sexism with songs such as 'Independent woman'. Tracey Chapmen has produced songs about racism and prejudice as well as discrimination.

It's not about songs made about the injustice made towards people, but i meant more about religious aspects in music produced today.

Your absolutely right about enjoying a song without taking too literally, since i even enjoy gospel music, but i mean lyrics such as Kanye West 'jesus Walks', does it encourage youths to become a certain faith or does it give them more enlightenment and awareness of others faiths?

Yusuf Islam has managed a new group called Zane, who sing songs about Allah using phrases and references from the Qu'ran, is this a right thing to do? Is there underlying intentions in all production of religious based music?

Is Music like the media powerful enough to encourage youths and others to change religions or become encouraged or discouraged by them?

shadowpuppet
26.01.2006, 05:44
Is Music like the media powerful enough to encourage youths and others to change religions or become encouraged or discouraged by them?

In France, during the Nazi occupation, the first people to be rounded up were the artists because of their ability to politically influence the masses.

In any case.. this is my favorite song(s). It seemed appropriate: http://rap.midco.net/trellis/NIN-BesideYouInTime-RightWhereItBelongs.mp3

Leyla
26.01.2006, 17:49
In France, during the Nazi occupation, the first people to be rounded up were the artists because of their ability to politically influence the masses.

In any case.. this is my favorite song(s). It seemed appropriate: http://rap.midco.net/trellis/NIN-BesideYouInTime-RightWhereItBelongs.mp3

I checked some of them out.....and my gosh. That's all im saying.

Sevgi_2420
10.02.2007, 14:59
This poem is both wonderful and impossible and all of us know that unfortunately.I wish it was true but the world is worse day by day

dede_27
11.02.2007, 00:44
Thanks for sharing..

İt is so nice poem and nice song...

Everyone must listen..:)

Servan
11.02.2007, 13:33
it is a perfec poem and poetry but i cant imagine a world like this one.it is too hard to found a world that has all of this characteristics.

ONU®
27.02.2007, 13:02
Thanks for this excellent poem.It tells everything.No comment :)