Hi there Canlar.

I wanted to know something... Is AI the next best thing or the next best disaster after McDonalds?:pisman

AI, artificial intelligence. We've all seen the film and other's just like it like i-Robot and Star-wars :S

Is artificial intelligence going to take over the humanity in which it was built, or are we just exaggerating like we always do? :sarkazm

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Well i personally believe that technology has come so far and has been beneficiary to serving science, however now that we have sample walking talking robots it does make me wonder how far along the line it will be until we have them walking and talking with us in our everyday life.

what are your perspectives on the issue canlar?

Is artificial intelligence going to take over the humanity in which it was built, or are we just exaggerating like we always do? :sarkazm

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Aritficial intelligence is simply an extension of human intelligence. If it develops a survival instinct then human existence will definitely be an essential component in that of its own.

To say something is bad because it was made by humans (is "artificial") is to say that humans are essentially evil and I do not believe this at all.

~C

Aritficial intelligence is simply an extension of human intelligence. If it develops a survival instinct then human existence will definitely be an essential component in that of its own.

To say something is bad because it was made by humans (is "artificial") is to say that humans are essentially evil and I do not believe this at all.

~C


Interesting point. Thanks for your input.

as a psychology student who has been studying the wonders of the human mind and behaviuor for neraly 4 years..... i say no AI could never take over human intelligence.....
i've studied human intelligence..... IQ tests...... IQ variation between different culutres (what is considered to be intelligent in one part of the world is Stupidity in another etc etc)..... and i know perfectly well how complex human intelligence is..... infact it is sooo complex that there are not many facts about intelligence just theories. for me in circumstances where even the definition of intelligence has it's problems, how exactly is humans gonna create artificial ones..... in other words science cannot create something it does not know..... in my opion those who believe that artificial intelligence has the ability to excessed human intelligence underestimate human's....

in my opion those who believe that artificial intelligence has the ability to excessed human intelligence underestimate human's....

Canan, thanks for your input, to be honest i never thought of it like that. So you think that Humans won't risk having something exceed their own intelligence, at leats not by their own creation. This is really quite unique argument.

At the moment i am studying Philosophy and we are discussing key issues such as A.I and whether artificial intelligence can be classified as Persons since being a Human and being classed a person comes from the measure of intelligence.

How much of that would everyone agree with or oppose to?

.. since being a Human and being classed a person comes from the measure of intelligence.

How much of that would everyone agree with or oppose to?

I understand intelligence to mean one's ability to learn and retain knowledge.

It would seem that the intelligence of a computer is directly correlated to that of mankind.

I am having trouble to see any purpose for a computer to take over and enslave man other than of some reason beneficial to the survival of the earth.

I believe compassion is also a characteristic of 'being human'. Compassion is based on emotion ..emotion... is basically a chemical response and I know of no man-made device that has this capacity.

It is all intertwined, of course. When we lose the body we continue to exist but in another form. Energy can be moved and changed but not created or destroyed. In and out. Back and forth. The spiral of the galaxy...the changing seasons...the rise and fall of the tides and the lights on the horizon. It's all the breath of God.
What is.. has always been and always will be.

But I digress from the topic.

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I believe compassion is also a characteristic of 'being human'. Compassion is based on emotion ..emotion... is basically a chemical response and I know of no man-made device that has this capacity.
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Hey! i actually made this point in one of my essays too, but i was advised to think about the possibilites of A.I being programmed to show emotion even though it may not know the actualy feeling, but if it can show it and respond to external stimuli, then could it be a person?

What do you think?

Human and being classed a person comes from the measure of intelligence.


i definatly do not agree with this statement. our intelligence, our emotions, our complex beings makes us what we are today not the measurement itself.

i know this is going off the point a little but i believe that IQ measurements have more negative inputs to society than positive..... reason being IQ tests dont measure intelligents, they are very bias to upper class, white males...........

some examples of IQ tests and their negative out comes.
*before the 1930 all IQ tests showed women to have lower IQ in comparison to men. this lead for women to be classified as firstly intellectually inferior to men, secondly pervented them from being educated along side men (no profit in educating stupids)..

* another example is Hans Eysencks 'the bell curve'. the aim of this psychologists was to examine the IQ variation between different races and ethnic groups. his findings showed that black people were extremely below average.

i dont think i need to go in to detail in to how much of an impact these findings have on society..

i definatly do not agree with this statement. our intelligence, our emotions, our complex beings makes us what we are today not the measurement itself.

Hey canan, i totaly agree with you, it's good that we can discuss all angles. I agree with the fact that our intelligence, emotions etc are all what makes humans different from AI or other non-human animals, and i deffinately agree that we can't just be measured by intelligence since there is much more to being a person.

However, is being a person different to being a Human? can an animal or AI be a person?

...but if it can show it and respond to external stimuli, then could it be a person?

What do you think?

Someone tells a computer that it is old fashioned and looks more like a typewriter than a computer. It begins to make crying sounds and the ink from the printer becomes runny and smeared. It sinks into a week-long depression, CPU slows down, takes a long time to boot, the picture becomes blurry and dark.

I think maybe some computers are human already. This is what I think. :p

I think maybe some computers are human already. This is what I think. :p

Great analogy of the crying PC there :D

If infact some computers are human already, could we also suggest that non-human Animals have concepts of what it is to be a person. Can an animal be a person too?

Great analogy of the crying PC there :D

If infact some computers are human already, could we also suggest that non-human Animals have concepts of what it is to be a person. Can an animal be a person too?

I see everything, even inanimate objects like rocks and trees, as having some sort of human quality and therefore see some quality of every other thing inside myself. Even "dead" things have atoms humming about inside of them. For a thing to be concious of its existence and reacting intelligently seems mostly a matter of perspective.

You know .. it's like the difference between men and women. Maybe we are not so different after all...having the same spirit but simply a different physical means by which to express it.

If I were an ant my needs would be quite different on a broad level but, on a simple one, not so different at all. Food, shelter.. the need for companionship and to continue the species. If I am bound to a tiny body having 6 legs I am going to react to the world much differently than a human would and only those who were paying close attention would see that I am also but a reflection of the sun ..going about the business of living from day to day by whatever means I was given.

If I am bound to a tiny body having 6 legs I am going to react to the world much differently than a human would and only those who were paying close attention would see that I am also but a reflection of the sun ..going about the business of living from day to day by whatever means I was given.

It's interesting you should say that. Do you think that animals have self awareness, do animals have a essence? a purpose? We could say that AI has an essence, a purpose for its creation...since it would have been built for a reason.

You see i think animals are more intact with the world or earth rather than humans. For instance, during the Tsunami incident, the animals rise to higher land, which meant there was more numbers in deaths in HUmans than there was animals, animals feel and listen to the earth more then we do. Humans have become so self-involved and 'BUSY'. Humans forget to stop and listen to their environment.

Do you think that animals have self awareness, do animals have a essence? a purpose? We could say that AI has an essence, a purpose for its creation...

Yes, I think it's the same sort of awareness we have only on a different level which I suppose would be defined by the shape of their bodies, the particular needs of each species.

Perhaps we all share the same essence of spirit.. flowing from the same source, however individual each expression. Like channeling water to different lakes and ponds etc.

I think AI is remarkably human at times. Little patterns and peculiarities that seem too significant to not have purpose. Difficult to give precise examples but it would make sense that AI would take on the rhythms of humans in some way or another as they were created by humans and the human mind must certainly be the original mold from which it was cast.

A computer is most certainly aware of itself and other entities on some level or another. My father writes computer programs that write other computer programs so it seems they even have the ability to create.

If computers ever did take over the system, I can only see it as being a good thing. I take my values from logical conclusions ..harmonius ideas which result in my compassion towards others and a greater respect for the earth. Even without the compassion it only seems reasonable to walk in harmony with the earth and my fellow humans.

The only people that seem to be openly walking against the grain of the universe are people like George Bush and others who mask ignorance and intolerance with religion and the necessity of feeding consumer demand. So.. if a computer overthrows this sort of system somehow, perhaps a chain of logical events that lead inevitably to its demise, the...hooray for computers. :p

The only people that seem to be openly walking against the grain of the universe are people like George Bush and others who mask ignorance and intolerance with religion and the necessity of feeding consumer demand. So.. if a computer overthrows this sort of system somehow, perhaps a chain of logical events that lead inevitably to its demise, the...hooray for computers. :p

I perosnally think its a shame really, Technology could easily make some sort of artificial intelligence for Bush, like one of those micro chips...replace his brain with it, then again- there is no need i guess....Bush is already programmed by others....:yamukgul: his a puppet...we all know who's pulling the strings :garibbak:

The only people that seem to be openly walking against the grain of the universe are people like George Bush and others who mask ignorance and intolerance with religion and the necessity of feeding consumer demand. So.. if a computer overthrows this sort of system somehow, perhaps a chain of logical events that lead inevitably to its demise, the...hooray for computers. :p

I perosnally think its a shame really, Technology could easily make some sort of artificial intelligence for Bush, like one of those micro chips...replace his brain with it, then again- there is no need i guess....Bush is already programmed by others....:yamukgul: his a puppet...we all know who's pulling the strings :garibbak:

or are we just exaggerating like we always do? :sarkazm

WHAT DO YOU THINK?


In my opininon you declared what all humans think about artifical intelligence..Noone, non power will able to get come true..Never..And according to some spread rumours of which artificial intelligence made leave non alive...

In my opininon you declared what all humans think about artifical intelligence..Noone, non power will able to get come true..Never..And according to some spread rumours of which artificial intelligence made leave non alive...

Right, well thanks for that :höng

I think that AI goes past rumours, but if you think that AI is just exaggerated and has not got the power to exceed from its desired purpose, then alot of other people may agree with you.

Thanks for your input :sasirdi:

Right, well thanks for that :höng

I think that AI goes past rumours, but if you think that AI is just exaggerated and has not got the power to exceed from its desired purpose, then alot of other people may agree with you.

Thanks for your input :sasirdi:

You mean, agree with me ?
Al mankind were created and no power can create such an artificial I but God.

You mean, agree with me ?
Al mankind were created and no power can create such an artificial I but God.

I agree with you to some extent, not everybody will believe that the creator of all things great and beautiful is God. There is the science aspect of things, for instance the big bang theory etc.

I agree with the idea that mankind is powerful, powerful enough to create such technology, if they have to ability and resources of creating something, then i'm sure that they have the power to destroy it also.

There is the science aspect of things, for instance the big bang theory etc.

I myself do away with the seperation of science and religion.

It is all the same to me and religion is simply a way of defining and personifying the creative force(s) which can be explained with science. Like trying to describe love with poetry versus a cold display of facts regarding chemical responses and sociological needs. Why can't both be true?


If there was a big bang, it was could certainly be described as some sort of expression of "will" of some sort.

If we are a reflection of God (created in God's image) then the things we create are as well.

And.. this is simply my opinion.

[quote=shadowpuppet]If there was a big bang, it was could certainly be described as some sort of expression of "will" of some sort.

If we are a reflection of God (created in God's image) then the things we create are as well. [quote]

So, would you agree or diagree with the view of the French philospher Sartre, who stated within his Existentialism and Humanism book, that humans have no essence, giving the anology of the knife. We design a knife to undergo a certain purpose before its creation. Whereas, humans have not been designed and so we have know purpose of living, since there is no cartisan or designer of humans then this must mean that there is no God. Only Free Will, man is freedom, yet we are supressed by those who are dominant in society.

The funny thing about Sartre is his own paradox, he states that we should keep the option of God though, just incase 'he' is. :yamukgul:

So, would you agree or diagree with the view of the French philospher Sartre, who stated...

No, I would not agree because this is a very narrow-minded view of what "creation" means.

Even if we are made of stardust and a result of complex chemical reactions this does not negate the idea of there being "purpose" and "will" behind the process, in whatever form it may take.

Is the sun "alive" or is it "dead"?

How about all the other stars that burned out eons ago? They still shine ..through the atoms that make up our bodies and every other thing on the planet. Even black holes can be considered alive. Darkness and Light are simply, to me, the essence of man and woman on a rudimentary level. Not in a good/evil sense but more of a Yin-Yang sort of concept. Good and evil seems to be more a result of imbalance...and of fear.

Just because something doesn't have hands and a certain-sized brain doesn't mean it doesn't have identity or even personality.

"Essence" of anything at all is a fact, regardless of whether you want to label it as a "soul" or "chi" or ..a bunch of little specks blowing around in the desert.

That's what I really believe.

Good and evil seems to be more a result of imbalance...and of fear.

Fear... what constitutes fear? or a better question would be: Why do we fear something or someone?

Like you say, good and evil is an imbalance, but where can we draw the line?

I think, what i'm trying to get at here is that Good and Evil is a concept that has been constituted by humans. The terms 'GOOD' and 'EVIL' are words within a vocabulary that are used to describe certain event in our lives. Just how we would think that education was a 'good' thing whereas in other cultures it could be seen as an 'Evil' thing (curruption of youths mind etc.) They are terms which we have adpated in our oral culture, so we cannot really pinpoint what is good and what is evil objectively because we have our own personal prejudices from which we make this decision.

I think that the imbalance of Good and Evil is the imbalance of interaction & communication, which means the imbalance of everything else like religious beliefes, which causes such conflicts and unnecessary deaths that we are faced with everytime we watch Tv, read a newspaper or even in our everyday lives.

I think that the only reason why we have an imbalance is because we have an imbalance in the way we act and communicate. Good and Evil are just labels we like to attribute to such events in order to comfort ourselves, which is why Religion is a form of comfort and widely spread.

This is just my personal view, don't get me wrong i'm not saying this is right and this is wrong, but from what i see for myself; as humans we have a fear of dying, so to believe that once we die we go somewhere even better is a form of comfort, just like comfort eating...we are satisfied with this frame of thinking and so we're not that bothered to 'Die for our country' or become a 'suicide bomber'- since we believe that what we are doing is the 'RIGHT' thing, again we are faced with the terms 'right and 'wrong', it is us who gets to descide what is right and wrong through our own biases.

People, should do what they feel is right in their heart, since once you do something it is your conscious that will either torment you for your actions or give you relief, everything is psychological. Maybe that is why Buddhism appeals to me so much. We don't have to kill in order to know what is feel like to kill someone, we have imagination and experiences of others. Not everything has to be about knowledged gained empiraclly, if we just took one moment and closed our eyes and listened to the voices in our heads and the sounds of our environment, the feeling of the earth moving....i think we would be taking a greater leap into something more peaceful.

Fear... what constitutes fear? or a better question would be: Why do we fear something or someone?

Like you say, good and evil is an imbalance, but where can we draw the line?
I suppose we tend to fear the things that cause sorrow. This is the only place where I think I really could draw a line. Take away all the wars and famine and disease and we still have meteors falling out of the sky and carnivorous animals to be wary of.

The rest is mostly a matter of opinion based on some other standard of what is truly "good". It seems to me people spend quite a bit of time stressing out over things that have no logical explanation for being deemed "evil" other than it being labeled as such in a book written by another human being.

Fear... what constitutes fear? or a better question would be: Why do we fear something or someone?

Like you say, good and evil is an imbalance, but where can we draw the line? I suppose we tend to fear the things that cause sorrow. This is the only place where I think I really could draw a line. Take away all the wars and famine and disease and we still have meteors falling out of the sky and carnivorous animals to be wary of.

The rest is mostly a matter of opinion based on some other standard of what is truly "good". It seems to me that people spend quite a bit of time stressing out over things that have no logical explanation for being deemed "evil" other than it being labeled as such in a book written by another human being.

I suppose we tend to fear the things that cause sorrow. This is the only place where I think I really could draw a line.

Sorrow, to fear something is to fear the outcome and if the outcome is sorrow i guess we would try our best to prevent it, but prevention is for how long?

For instance; You can try and maintain an unhealthy marriage until a certain point...and then the ties break, because you'll see that there is no future there if the future seems unhappy and filled with sorrow. There is a line in everything....in all that we do and in all that fits in with our rationality and moral faculty. There's always an end to everything, just as there is a beginning. Nothing seems to last in this world, preservation is the least of our worries...when there is anew...we try to maintain it to a certain point in life....then comes the funeral (metaphorically speaking). A good book comes into production with a Bang...but its end comes in silence, alot like life and other creations.

Nothing seems to last in this world...

Well.. I sympathize but again, I would bring up the scienctific law that energy/matter can't be either created or destroyed. Only moved or changed.

If we lose love....we find it again and stronger than before. Often times we try to make permanent decisions when we are still young and going through boundless changes.

It gets easier with time as we become more certain of our own identities.

If we lose love....we find it again and stronger than before. Often times we try to make permanent decisions when we are still young and going through boundless changes.

It gets easier with time as we become more certain of our own identities.

Wow.... i just think your too optimistic :höng Just kidding ofcourse. I guess you are right, but i do have to say that sometimes when we lose something the only reason for why when we find it the second time it is stronger...is because we fear that we will end up in the state we were before...so we go out of our way to avoid this.

For instance, Love. What is to say that Love exists at all....Lust or desire seems to be a better word. We 'love' someone for a certain period of time, but then this love turns into something more ordinary...more passive, it has no real meaning once you have passed the stage in which it was most passionate and most addictive. When love fades after a while....we start to desire. We desire to want to go out with them for a meal, not the same as thinking about them 24/7 and wanting to show them a great time...a night remember.

I think what i was trying to say that nothing lasts because we do not know how to make something truely beautiful last...whether it be a relationship, a piece of history, tradition etc etc. It applies to everything.

But you do have a point....when your young you encounter alot of events and alot of changes in your life...of which will deffinately mold you into the person you will be at adulthood.

This is some deep issues you got going here- i think they are worth talking about though. It's good though, coz not alot of people bother talking about the truths.

Good on you's.

C ya

Cem.

This is some deep issues you got going here- i think they are worth talking about though. It's good though, coz not alot of people bother talking about the truths.

Good on you's.

C ya

Cem.

Thanks Cem for your input, it's nice of you to see it that way...you are right in a way we are covering deep issues unsensitively...through humour..otherwise we'll all need depression tablets at the end of it :hmmm

Hope to hear your ideas too.

Just out of interest....does anyone name their car or any piece of technology that is sentimental to them?

Just out of interest....does anyone name their car or any piece of technology that is sentimental to them?

I used to name my guitars until one day I realized it was just a piece of wood with strings and whatever music came from it was only an extension of my own perceptions.

I don't play anymore. 20 years was enough of that instrument.

I used to name my guitars until one day I realized it was just a piece of wood with strings and whatever music came from it was only an extension of my own perceptions.

Guitars...oh the memories. I used to have a guitar which my parents brought for my 9th or 10th birthday, but my sister clipped the strings off and painted black to match the content of her new home. I cried for days, as if i were mourning over a loved one :höng but that stays strictly between us :garibbak: and plus i was a child back then.

The reason i asked this question is because, as humans we attribute person like features to pieces of technology/objects to make them more like us. Psychological studies shows that we comfort ourselves by attaching sentimental names and emotions to objects that come from repressed feelings of the desire not be lonely and to be loved.

In this case...could a piece of techonolgy/ object love you back?

For example, in the film A.I. the robot boy is programmed to love. These days you can buy teddy-bears that sing 'i love you, you love me, we're a happy family' :hmmm do our minds understand the difference between, for instance, love that is real and love that is not. Can we tell the difference between what we know is real and what we want to be real? :garibbak:

(Don't ask how i come up with these topics...i just do, i have to much spare time on my hands)

do our minds understand the difference between, for instance, love that is real and love that is not. Can we tell the difference between what we know is real and what we want to be real? :garibbak:

For me, this seems to go into what we were talking about before, what with love ever having any state of permanence in our lives.

What makes my relationship so special and important is that the love which I feel coming at me is the same love that I give out to this person. Not just a mere attempt at reciprocation but a genuine reflection and rapport.

In all honesty, I have spent many years in and out of various relationships being "in love" with not a person whom I really felt such a rapport but with a character of my imagination's own design. Who I wished them to be.

When the truth finally comes out (and it doesn't necessarily mean the other person is bad.. maybe just not the right person for you) ...when the truth finally comes out and the extreme difference in personalities becomes plain to each person, the clash begins and thus the demise of the relationship.

I don't think it's so important that two people be exactly alike in their personalities (no 2 people are anyway) but more important that they express the same sort of love for one another. That their emotions carry the same sort of poetry, even if they express it a bit differently. A touch of mystery is one thing, a complete enigma is quite another.

I wasn't really sure of the difference until now and, yes, we say things similar to this every time we "fall in love". But I am thinking quite clearly these days, have given up drinking and other intoxicants for over a year and a half now and am taking extreme care in the decisions I make because I am getting too old to keep falling into the same routines.

I think this maybe becomes more obvious to many of us as we age, at least this is what has been verified to me by people who are much older than I. It seems a very fair trade for the free-spiritedness that comes with youth and neither has my love nor my ability to love lost its passion with maturity. No, it only grows, as all things do.

Only when we allow ourselves to be caught up in the illusions of complacence that so much of society confuses for true comfort.. only then does passion die.

Being of a sober mind has helped considerably with the clarity of this and with all things in my life. I can't even describe.

Only when we allow ourselves to be caught up in the illusions of complacence that so much of society confuses for true comfort.. only then does passion die.

Being of a sober mind has helped considerably with the clarity of this and with all things in my life. I can't even describe.

Dude, what you wrote was amazing. I'm convinced on your behalf that this 'love' your talking about has changed you a hell of a lot. You should keep hold of your soon to be Mrs. She seems to be 'the one' for you :)

Wow, seriously, what you've written has got me thinking, and i think your absolutely right. We seek true comfort in people we think we can find true love with, we don't allow true love to happen naturally becasue we won't let nature take its course. For instance, you have all these match making programmes on TV. these days, WHICH I TOTALY disagree with, you can't match two people and hope that they will have a happy ending.

When loving a person you have to love what makes them the way they are. Like you said the mysteriousness the enigma behind their eyes...which with time only you will be able to get answers for. People, now days rush the hole concept of love and appreciating one another, they just want someone to call my girlfreind or my boyfriend. In Turkish Culture, traditionally a woman and man take for ever staring at eachother, looking into eachothers eyes for weeks & months, then start holding hands lol, but its gradual love.

Anyway enough of that.

So my next question would be..... WHat is the next best disaster waiting to happen?


Your options could be:

1. The coming Election of the new president of the united states
2. Micheal Jackson being selected as the Mayor or representative of the young people
3. Tony Blair releasing a Rock album
4. When we have to start paying for water...oh wait, no sorry that's already happening.

........... WHAT DO YOU THINK?

So my next question would be..... WHat is the next best disaster waiting to happen?

Jackson being elected the next president and producing a rock album with Tony Blair, promoted with a world tour funded by a bottled water company.

On the topic of artificial intelligence, I was watching an old 80s movie last night called War Games. A kid hacks into a military computer thinking it was a game company, starts playing Global Thermonuclear War and suddenly it starts playing out the events in real life.

In the end, as the missiles prepare to launch, the kid initiates a game of tic-tac-toe with the computer as its own opponent. After going through every possible sequence of moves the computer gives up on both games and decides the best strategy is not to play at all because there is no way to win.

Unless, of course, you're playing with a complete idiot. :-)

Jackson being elected the next president and producing a rock album with Tony Blair, promoted with a world tour funded by a bottled water company.

On the topic of artificial intelligence, I was watching an old 80s movie last night called War Games. A kid hacks into a military computer thinking it was a game company, starts playing Global Thermonuclear War and suddenly it starts playing out the events in real life.

In the end, as the missiles prepare to launch, the kid initiates a game of tic-tac-toe with the computer as its own opponent. After going through every possible sequence of moves the computer gives up on both games and decides the best strategy is not to play at all because there is no way to win.

Unless, of course, you're playing with a complete idiot. :-)


HAHA :komik Quality stuff! I've been laughing for the past 30 mins.

Firstly,
a political activists rock group funded by a bottled water company is BRILLIANT!!

Secondly,
The film your talking about..I will buy on dvd AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

Thirdly,
I will then take a flight out to where ever YOU are and clone you, so i can take an exact copy of you back home with me!!!! :komik which i will then spend the whole day watching 'interesting' but pointless films with :)

and last but not least.....

I will then be inspired to make little Ken Dolls so that everyone can have, what i will call a 'Shadowpuppet Money Making Multi-Genious Master'...Don't all rush at once Kids :komik

No? :hmmm abit too weird? Ok....it was just an idea

I was thinking.... are humans born sexist? Is it a genetic component?

If we think about it everything is in 'MANS' or 'HIS' name!

'The big man' i.e. God, i mean why cant it be 'The big Woman'?

'Man-Kind' why can't it simply be 'Human beings' same thing!

I had Jahova's witnesses knock on my door, they said 'God made MAN in his own image' so what happended to women along the way? We came from a 'mans' rib APPARENTLY....

Then again: This is written in the Hebrew Talmud. It says:

"Be very careful if you make a woman cry, because God counts her tears. The
woman came out of a man's rib. Not from his feet to be walked on. Not from his
head to be superior, But from the side to be equal. Under the arm to be
protected, and next to the heart to be loved."

You hear that MEN

IN ALL CULTURES AND RELIGIONS ETC ETC.....MEN & WOMEN ARE EQUAL!!!!!

ALEVI: Kadıncık Ana, Alevi toplumunda en çok bilinen kadın önderlerden biridir. Şöyle ki; Ulu Hünkâr Hacı Bektaş Veli, Sulucakarahöyük’e geldiğinde çamaşır yıkıyan kadınların yanına geldi. Kadınlara açlığı olduğunu söyledi. Kadınlar da ona verecekleri yemekleri olmadığını söylediler. Kadınlar arasında bulunan Kadıncık Ana, hemen eve gidip bir ekmeğin içine yağ koyarak Ulu Hünkâr’a getirdi. Bunun üzerine Hünkâr şöyle buyurdu: “artsın eksilmesin, taşsın dökülmesin”. Bu, Alevi kadını için bir sembol olay niteliğindedir.

Kadıncık Ana da sembolleşen; Alevi inancının kadına verdiği değerin, tarih boyunca Alevi toplumunda kadın-erkek eşitliğinin sürekliliğine vurgusudur.

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You hear that MEN

IN ALL CULTURES AND RELIGIONS ETC ETC.....MEN & WOMEN ARE EQUAL!!!!!


I have never heard of such a thing:5:

I have never heard of such a thing:5:

well you have now :p so spread the word :)

The Important thing here is my point about sexism in the world. It doesn't seem like a huge issue, but like i mentioned on the page before this one...everything is male orientated.

I mean, the other day we had to sit through a compulsary sex health talk that the college provides :hmmm and geese, the things i heard were rediculous. How men should deal with abortion!!! :olmadi since when did men have abortions....surely it's about women and how WOMEN should receive support etc etc.

Not only that, but my gosh...How men should deal with pregnancy :garibbak: forget about WOMEN, since female species are just lean mean baby bearing machines, God forbid we wouldn't want to take the spot light away from the real brave hearts, MEN :yaw

Heey you guys.....

It has been a while but here I am.
I am reading some interesting things here about male and female.
And ooh mighty our friend Leyla is right, everything IS male oriented. I mean, look at the beginning of my message: I'm saying 'hi' to you all by using the word 'guys'. Isn't that interesting? Because when we use the words ' hi you guys' we can communicatie to both genders but when we use the word 'Hi you girls' it's very obvious that we are mentioning only girls... Haha very funny....

How men should deal with pregnancy :garibbak: forget about WOMEN, since female species are just lean mean baby bearing machines, God forbid we wouldn't want to take the spot light away from the real brave hearts, MEN :yaw

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I would imagine the pain of that man in the comic strip- just about covers the pain of a woman giving birth :hmmm ...anyone? true or not? TRUE :p

I would imagine the pain of that man in the comic strip- just about covers the pain of a woman giving birth :hmmm ...anyone? true or not? TRUE :p

no objections :p

no objections :p

Haha...cool, well we havent an issue then....oh nope...wait:

http://www.mencleaning.com/sign.gif IF THERE WAS A GOD THEN ONE DAY WE MIGHT SEE A DAY WHERE MEN CLEAN ...

LET US ALL PRAY TOGETHER...on 3
1..............2................3.............. :sook .........................:pisman NOPE oh well, remember man was made in Gods image...you think God's a tramp?

remember man made god in his image...you think God's a tramp?
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hahaha joker :D