What do you know about Zaza People from Turkey?
http://www.englishforums.com/Themes/default/images/spacer.gif Zaza People live in Middle and Eastern of Turkey. Is is not certain but it is estimaed that 5-6 million Zaza people lives in Anatolia. They can not speak their own language, because Turkish Government have banned it since formation of the Country, 1923. Therefore , they revolted three times against the government to gain their rights.

First revolution was happened in Middle of Anatolia, city of Sivas(Qocgiri) in 1920-1921 . In this revolution thousands of Zaza and Alevis People (RedHeads) were killed by gangs of the government. Some rebellious could have escaped to Dersim where Zaza People were in safe then.

Second revolution was happened in 1925 and at the end of the revolution all leaders of the movement were executed by the government.

Actually the last one was not a revolution. It was actually a genocide . Some sources say in Dersim,where the last revolution of Zaza People were happened, approximately 40.000 people were killed and as many as people were have diarrhoead to western Anotolia. This genocide was happened in 1937-1938. At the end of the genocide leader of Dersim Country "Seyid Riza" was executed by the government.


refrence: anonymous

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Actually the last one was not a revolution. It was actually a genocide . Some sources say in Dersim,where the last revolution of Zaza People were happened, approximately 40.000 people were killed and as many as people were have diarrhoead to western Anotolia. This genocide was happened in 1937-1938. At the end of the genocide leader of Dersim Country "Seyid Riza" was executed by the government.


refrence: anonymous
thanks Naz
unfortunatelly;
thousands of people lost their lives in dersim:pisman .

As a Kocgiri I believe that we’ve been one of the most oppressed people living in Turkey and I think that we still are. It’s upsetting that most people in Turkey hasn't got a clue of these events that occurred years ago. Thanks for the information Naz.

Zaza people or in our own language we called "Kırmandcz". Are seperate from Kurdish people. Our culture is different. Most of Kurdish are Shafi muslim, little part of them are Alevi, ahl-i haq and Yezidi.

We are not so far form Kurdish and we are not so far from Turkish. We are not Turk and we are not Kurd. We are only Kırmandcz (zaza). Our cultural beliefes are similar with turkoman alevis and Armenians. Kurdish people only similar for language because of similar language family.

Alevis belief is most important think in Dersim ( Tunceli, where all the people alevi and zaza) but in past times i mean before 1915 and 1938 there were armenians who believe in Christianity and some of them pagan. Some of Armenians believes Alevis peoples believes because of lots of similar situtions.

I see that the population of turkey is very diverse. Can you plese enumerate all the religions and all the languages spoken in turkeyq except turkish (language) and islam (religion)

I see that the population of turkey is very diverse. Can you plese enumerate all the religions and all the languages spoken in turkeyq except turkish (language) and islam (religion)

There are no pure statistics. Republic of Turkey only legalize Turkish language and İslam(Hanefi) religion. Other religions or ethnicities are not legalized. Kurdish ethnicity became a little free for 5-6 years but its not enough. Other ethnicities are Laz, georgian, abkhazian(caucasians), Arab, Armenian and small groups. But numbers of them unknown.

For religiouns there were mostly islamic way(Alevi, Sunni) but Alevism not same as İslam ,Alevism is a different philosophyc and spritual way. It has lots of religiouns inside it. Zorahostranism, Shamanism is main character of Alevism. But Shia islam lastly modify Alevism and finally Alevism is a sum of the good side of all religions.

İn my opinion There are:

15 million Kurdish
1,5million Arabian
2 million Caucasian
1 million Pontic, Laz and Georgian
150 thousand Armenian
30 thousand Jews

For religions or way of religions:
15 million Alevi
150-200 thousand Christian
30 thousand jews
And other part of are Sunni Muslim ( Hanefi, Shafi)

These numbers are my opinion, I read some articles and books then its a similar number for reality.

İn my opinion There are:

15 million Kurdish
1,5million Arabian
2 million Caucasian
1 million Pontic, Laz and Georgian
150 thousand Armenian
30 thousand Jews

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Where are zaza people dude? :001_unsur

Where are zaza people dude? :001_unsur

As you know usually Zaza and Kurdish nations are known as same so when asking a Zaza what nationality are you from? Zaza say Kurd-Zaza :höng So i added Zaza into Kurdish. I became accept Zaza language as a part of Kurdish main language. But i can't say it's right. Similarities and differences are each other:hopala.

In http://www.ethnologue.com/ web site says:

Dımili population is around 1.000.000
Kırmancki population is around 1.500.000

means sum of Zaza 2.500.000

:001_rolle As a Zaza(Kırmanc) We must increase our population :turned:

As you know usually Zaza and Kurdish nations are known as same so when asking a Zaza what nationality are you from? Zaza say Kurd-Zaza

Very fatale. Very very fatale..
Turks say zaza are turks, kurds say zaza are kurds. Zaza say: What I am? They will (or majority have!) lost their identification its begining with the language, the new generation don't know it. Assimiliation is in process... Keep care of you.

Very fatale. Very very fatale..
Turks say zaza are turks, kurds say zaza are kurds. Zaza say: What I am? They will (or majority have!) lost their identification its begining with the language, the new generation don't know it. Assimiliation is in process... Keep care of you.

Our destiny important. Grandma's and GrandPa's say the truths. Turkish nation is far from Zaza and Kurdish. Also Zaza people arent Kurdish. You are right. But Gorani says i am not kurdish too. Real Kurdish people are Kurmanc i thing. Kurds became a nation in last 20 years. Feodal life stlye didn't persuade became a nation. Kurd is sum of old cultural ethnicities ( Mittani, Med, Hurri etc.) And Zaza is reference as Sassanies or an iranian nations.

We are not Kurdish We are not Turkish we Are not Dımili too. But some times uniting with similar cultures is a way of not being assimilate. You are right keep care of you.

What do you know about Zaza People from Turkey?
http://www.englishforums.com/Themes/default/images/spacer.gif Zaza People live in Middle and Eastern of Turkey. Is is not certain but it is estimaed that 5-6 million Zaza people lives in Anatolia. They can not speak their own language, because Turkish Government have banned it since formation of the Country, 1923. Therefore , they revolted three times against the government to gain their rights.

First revolution was happened in Middle of Anatolia, city of Sivas(Qocgiri) in 1920-1921 . In this revolution thousands of Zaza and Alevis People (RedHeads) were killed by gangs of the government. Some rebellious could have escaped to Dersim where Zaza People were in safe then.

Second revolution was happened in 1925 and at the end of the revolution all leaders of the movement were executed by the government.

Actually the last one was not a revolution. It was actually a genocide . Some sources say in Dersim,where the last revolution of Zaza People were happened, approximately 40.000 people were killed and as many as people were have diarrhoead to western Anotolia. This genocide was happened in 1937-1938. At the end of the genocide leader of Dersim Country "Seyid Riza" was executed by the government.


refrence: anonymous


Yeah,it's one of our bleeding sour....I hope it never returns... :-(

Hi-

I have 2 question for you guys as I can see that you are much more informed than me on these etnic topics, which is not one of my favourite interests.

1-) Why are the Sunni Zazas and Alevis Zazas culturally so different from each other? This is my personal opinion, but I believe that Sunni Zazas are culturally very differant than Alevi ones. Their traits are quiet different. They behave different, vote different, think different. What is the basis of this divide?

2-) Is there any relation between Zazas and Beluchis living in Iran, Pakistand and Afghanistan? I heard that they are from the same race? Is that right?

Thanks for your input
BYE
Ankaralı

Hi-

I have 2 question for you guys as I can see that you are much more informed than me on these etnic topics, which is not one of my favourite interests.

1-) Why are the Sunni Zazas and Alevis Zazas culturally so different from each other? This is my personal opinion, but I believe that Sunni Zazas are culturally very differant than Alevi ones. Their traits are quiet different. They behave different, vote different, think different. What is the basis of this divide?
master issue ( the sect division )
for example ,
what is the difference between the alevi zaza and the sünni zaza?
1-ramadan fast
2-The form of words used in praying and temple ( for instance, a sunni zaza' place of worship=mosques /a alevi zaza' place of worship=cem house)
3-pilgrimage
4-alms etc...
to cut a long story short ,(of course this is my personal approach), hardly ever do I agree with sunni zaza...

2-) Is there any relation between Zazas and Beluchis living in Iran, Pakistand and Afghanistan? I heard that they are from the same race? Is that right?



According to researches , zazaki is the Iranian language( as linguistic root)

I'm not a genius at this topic, but according to wikipedia.org, :"It is generally believed that the Zazas immigrated to their modern day homeland from the southern shores of the Caspian Sea. Some Zazas use the word Dimli (Daylami) to describe their ethnic identity. The word Dimli (Daylami) also describes a region of Gilan Province in today’s Iran. The Zazaki Language also show similarities with Gilaki, Mazanderani and others spoken by the southern shores of the Caspian Sea." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Zaza_people

So, it is possible that they have close genetic and racial bonds with Beluchis and other Persian subethnic groups. After all, they are linguistically and ethnically Persian.

What do you know about Zaza People from Turkey?
http://www.englishforums.com/Themes/default/images/spacer.gif First revolution was happened in Middle of Anatolia, city of Sivas(Qocgiri) in 1920-1921 . In this revolution thousands of Zaza and Alevis People (RedHeads) were killed by gangs of the government. Some rebellious could have escaped to Dersim where Zaza People were in safe then.




refrence: anonymous


My Grand Father and Grand Mother is From Qoçgiri Tribe and They Speaks Kurmanç/Kurmanci dialect.. Namely My Family speak Kurmanci.. The Qoçgiri Tribes were immigrated Tunceli in 1536 year by The Ottoman Empire. Qoçgiri Tribes dont speak Kırmançki.

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First revolution was happened in Middle of Anatolia, city of Sivas(Qocgiri) in 1920-1921 .
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I thought there were many revolutions made by Kurds before the Qocgiri uprising but those were probably during the Ottoman period. I think the Qocgiri revolution was the first uprising subsequent to the republic being formed…

I am a zaza and i feel myself more comfartable turkish than kurdish.

I am a Zaza (Kirmandz) and i feel myself more comfortable Kurdish than Turkish.

Kurdish language is similar to Zaza(Kırmandz). But also Armenians are most similar people to Kırmandz (Zaza) people.

My uncle's wife and my aunt's husband from Tunceli in Nazimiye and Pülümür..
They dont accept Zaza identification.. They accept Kurdish İdentification..
They dialect/Language ise Kırmançki.
Kurmanç Alawi and Kırmanç Alawi are alike folks.
We mustnt appropriate them..It is impossible.. Alike culter, alike religion( Raa Haq ), alike traditions..

the place i was born we always have had problem with shafi kurds,they newer accept us as kurdish,we did not care either because our idendity as zaza .those kurdish people alwasy called us kizilbash infidels.Many zaza feels themself real turkish that part of town.As a alevi zaza myself and all my friends we always hate kurdish people.

the place i was born we always have had problem with shafi kurds,they newer accept us as kurdish,we did not care either because our idendity as zaza .those kurdish people alwasy called us kizilbash infidels.Many zaza feels themself real turkish that part of town.As a alevi zaza myself and all my friends we always hate kurdish people.

I am a Kurdish Alawi people and You mustnt hate Kurdish People . You cant generalize. Unfortunately I am censuring you and your friedns .

You shouldt be Zaza racialist.

And Many Zaza People chosed ( % 60 ) Shafi İslam centuries ago. They are from Elazığ, Urfa, Diyarbakır, Bingöl, Osmaniye, Adıyaman etc. And They İmmigrated from Horasan and They Chosed Shafi İslam ? Horasan and Shafi İslam ? Why not Hanefi İslam ? Very very interesting, İsnt it ? Whereas Many Folks chosed Hanefi İslam in Horasan ?:)

And ! They Shoudnt forget, Sünni Zazas are more than Alawi Zazas :) And Alawi Zazas is Kırmanç, not Dimili!

Also Shafi Kurds ( % 80 )in Diyarbakır, Bitlis, Urfa, Adıyaman, Antep, Şırnak, Ağrı, Hakkari, Muş etc.


ALAWİ KURMANÇ and ALAWİ KIRMANÇ ALİKE FOLKS ! Alike Culture, Tradition, Region, Geography ! You cant appropriate them !